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External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by stef » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:48 pm

So I tried to use my Airnav app on a new Ipad today, only to realise that as the Ipad is a "Wifi only" it does not have an internal GPS receiver. I should have thought about it when I bought but obviously didn't.

Google to the rescue: it seems you can link a nifty external GPS to the Ipad and it will work. My question now is: what to buy? There seem to be 3 options available for purchase in SA:
1. Bad Elf - this one physically attaches to the Ipad, making me wonder about "line of sight" issues to the satellites
2. Dual Electronics XGPS150A
3.Garmin Glo2
Options 2 and 3 are linked to the Ipad via Bluetooth and can be placed anywhere to optimise satellite acquisition and "hold". Both Dual and Garmin claim 8 or more hours battery life for the GPS receiver.What I am wondering about here is the impact on battery life of the Ipad if the Bluetooth function is running. My layman's understanding is that running Bluetooth devours Ipad go-juice pretty quickly, but I don't have any stats to hand to verify my belief.

Does anybody have experience of using one or more of the options above?

Any info greatly appreciated!
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by KZNChris » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:31 pm

stef wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:48 pm
to be 3 options available for purchase in SA:
1. Bad Elf - this one physically attaches to the Ipad, making me wonder about "line of sight" issues to the satellites
Any info greatly appreciated!
That is a much older model Bad Elf -- the newer one work just like the others you mentioned ( no need to plug in )
How "accurate"do you want it to be ?
How much money do you want to spend ?

https://www.fulcrumapp.com/blog/bluetoo ... omparison/

https://www.anatumfieldsolutions.com/Bl ... _b_38.html

Have a look at some flying vids
I see this one most often

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https://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-product/xgps160/

As to "juice" -- just get a large powerbank
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by Kibim » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:37 pm

I don't think your concern re battery life is unfounded. Bluetooth can use a lot of juice. I would aim to get DC power to both devices, relying only on battery as a backup.

Regarding the devices, I'm going to throw a 4th into the mix, garmin InReach Mini. It's price is somewhat higher, but bidirectional comms over satellite, with SOS 'beacon' is possibly a priceless upgrade. Let your loved ones track your flights, in or out of cell range, and let them know you've arrived safe, or not, also with out the need for any ground based infrastructure. Will also Bluetooth your GPS data to external device.

Good luck finding one tho. Been trying to buy one for 2 weeks now. Priced just under R6k
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by stef » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:56 am

Thank you, guys. As it’s only a secondary nav tool for me, it doesn’t make sense to spend too much on a toy. It seems people in the USA are turning to ADSB units,but their cost take them into the “no longer a justifiable toy” range.
It makes sense to use a power bank, especially since I don’t see myself ever needing more than 5 hours battery life. I think I’ll give the Garmin a go and will report back once I’ve tested it.
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by stef » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:02 am

Kibim wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:37 pm
... garmin InReach Mini. It's price is somewhat higher, but bidirectional comms over satellite, with SOS 'beacon' is possibly a priceless upgrade. Let your loved ones track your flights, in or out of cell range, and let them know you've arrived safe, or not, also with out the need for any ground based infrastructure. Will also Bluetooth your GPS data to external device.

Good luck finding one tho. Been trying to buy one for 2 weeks now. Priced just under R6k
It looks like Outdoor Warehouse in Strubens Valley has stock - R6.5k
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by rajarad » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:31 am

Sell the iPad and buy a new one. If the price of an attached device is equal to the loss you will incur in selling you will not be worse off
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by ABW » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:59 am

If you have the latest iPad with cellular and assisted gps it’s possible you still won’t get coverage at altitude. For our operations we have regular iPads with Jeppesen worldwide mobile flight deck bluetoothed to a BadElf. Accurate location on taxi charts and enroute is always available on the iPads. iPads and BadElf are chargeable inflight but we certainly do not have the iPads on all the time.
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by lawotschkin » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:06 am

.. using an Ipad mini with internal GPS for years. I have it attached to the panel with a RAM Mount - never had a single second of signal loss - I am with rajarad on this one - sell that thing and get one with an internal GPS .. all these wires, Bluetooth connections and batteries to worry about is not really what you want in a plane ..
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by darryltarr » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:24 pm

Hi Stef,

Ultimately you may want something similar to what I have:

ADS-B Transponder (mine is the Garmin GTX 345)
Connected via Bluetooth to my iPad-Mini (Garmin Pilot APP with Jepessen Charts and Manuals, for IFR)
Garmin GLO
Connected via Bluetooth to my iPad-Mini (SkyDemon APP, for VFR references)

My iPad-Mini has an internal GPS, however, when connected to the GLO is uses way less power and apparently is more accurate.

Then I have an approved USB (cigarette lighter adapter with two outputs), one for my GLO and the other for my iPad.

I also get live IR-WX on my Garmin Pilot.


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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by stef » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:10 pm

Thanks for the gen, All. I am going to try the Garmin GLO
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:49 pm

FWIW I’m happy with my Garmin GLO. Great battery life and the Bluetooth on the iPad doesn’t drain battery too much.
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by Winchman » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:02 pm

I have a Dual XGPS150A and it is great. Accurate, long battery life and charges quickly.
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by abezzi » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:46 pm

Is it possible to buy the GLO in SA or only in the States?
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by Rotor kop » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:08 am

abezzi wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:46 pm
Is it possible to buy the GLO in SA or only in the States?
I bought mine from comet aviation at lanseria. They even delivered it to wonderboom for me
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Re: External GPS for Ipad

Unread post by abezzi » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:41 am

Rotor kop wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:08 am
abezzi wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:46 pm
Is it possible to buy the GLO in SA or only in the States?
I bought mine from comet aviation at lanseria. They even delivered it to wonderboom for me
Thanks! But are you sure they are at Lanseria? Is not Century Avionics?

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