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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by Deanw » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:22 am

excolonial wrote:What is interesting however is what they were doing bumbling about in the backyard of a trigger happy expantionist Japan.
Any different to the number of solo/safari adventurers who fly between Europe and SA over or near countries in conflict?
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by excolonial » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:14 am

Deanw wrote:
excolonial wrote:What is interesting however is what they were doing bumbling about in the backyard of a trigger happy expantionist Japan.
Any different to the number of solo/safari adventurers who fly between Europe and SA over or near countries in conflict?
Yes, flying near small scale conflicts very different from a power intent on regional domination who had shown themselves to be completely ruthless, with a long reach and huge military resources. It would be te equivalent of a Muslim flying through Iraq during the gulf war....
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by Heli_Driver » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:28 pm

That photo has already been found in a Japanese book that was published two years before her trip, so it's been confirmed that it's not her in the photo
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by GRAHAMW » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:48 am

NEW YORK — Bones found in 1940 on a western Pacific Ocean island were quite likely to be remains from famed aviator Amelia Earhart, a new analysis concludes.

The study and other evidence "point toward her rather strongly," University of Tennessee anthropologist Richard Jantz said Thursday.

Amelia Earhart’s bones may have actually been found in 1940

Earhart disappeared during an attempted flight around the world in 1937, and the search for an answer to what happened to her and her navigator has captivated the public for decades.

Jantz's analysis is the latest chapter in a back-and-forth that has played out about the remains, which were found in 1940 on Nikumaroro Island but are now lost.

All that survive are seven measurements, from the skull and bones of the arm and leg. Those measurements led a scientist in 1941 to conclude the bones belong to a man. In 1998, however, Jantz and another scientist reinterpreted them as coming from a woman of European ancestry, and about Earhart's height. But in 2015, still other researchers concluded the original assessment as a man was correct.

Now Jantz weighs in with another analysis of the measurements, published in January in the journal Forensic Anthropology.

For comparison, Jantz used an inseam length and waist circumference from a pair of Earhart's trousers. He also drew on a photo of her holding an oil can to estimate the lengths of two arm bones.

Analysis showed "the bones are consistent with Earhart in all respects we know or can reasonably infer," he wrote in the journal article. It's highly unlikely that a random person would resemble the bones as closely as Earhart, he wrote.

In a phone interview, Jantz noted that some artifacts found on the island also support the possibility that the bones came from Earhart.

"I think we have pretty good evidence that it's her," he said.
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by Dish » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:26 am

Heli_Driver wrote:That photo has already been found in a Japanese book that was published two years before her trip, so it's been confirmed that it's not her in the photo
Could be photoshopped :) :D
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Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by TinTin » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:34 pm

So it seems that some wreckage has been discovered that they believe may solve this mystery!

Some quotes from the article:
Divers from Project Blue Angel say they first located the wreckage in August 2018, and identified several characteristics of Earhart’s plane, most significantly a glass disc that could be a light lens from the plane.
and...
“What we’ve found so far is consistent with the plane she flew.”

Most of the searches have concentrated on the area of the ocean near Howland Island. But what if, worried about fuel running low and facing headwinds, she turned around?
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/02/03/wreck-found/
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Amelia Earhart - wreckage possibly found

Unread post by TinTin » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:56 pm

Here's the Projects webpage.

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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by Wingnutter » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:07 pm

The location of the wreckage is nowhere near Howland Island - it is pretty certain they were at least close to Howland (by their own estimates and the strong radio signal received by the US coast guard ship), and they reported they were low on fuel at that point. Their last transmissions indicated they were flying on a N/S line - Buka island is way west of Howland, so this latest theory makes no sense to me.
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:02 pm

TinTin wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:34 pm
So it seems that some wreckage has been discovered that they believe may solve this mystery!

Some quotes from the article:
Divers from Project Blue Angel say they first located the wreckage in August 2018, and identified several characteristics of Earhart’s plane, most significantly a glass disc that could be a light lens from the plane.
and...
“What we’ve found so far is consistent with the plane she flew.”

Most of the searches have concentrated on the area of the ocean near Howland Island. But what if, worried about fuel running low and facing headwinds, she turned around?
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/02/03/wreck-found/
Tin Tin this is very interesting. Presumably these bits of wreckage were actually on dry land - an island? So it should be easy to identify the position. No?

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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by Deanw » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:36 pm

I think the wreckage is underwater.
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by TinTin » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:46 pm

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Tin Tin this is very interesting. Presumably these bits of wreckage were actually on dry land - an island? So it should be easy to identify the position. No?

jim
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Hi Jim,

It's under water at a depth of 30m just off the shoreline. I took a look on Google Maps and the theory poses the question that they turned around and headed back towards Papua New Guinea.

As Wingnutzer mentioned earlier, this flies in the face of the radio transmissions that she put out which suggests they believed they were at their destination Howard Island???

I read the articles and the researchers are growing in excitement that they've found it!
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:18 pm

TinTin wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:46 pm
Tin Tin this is very interesting. Presumably these bits of wreckage were actually on dry land - an island? So it should be easy to identify the position. No?

jim
[/quote]

Hi Jim,

It's under water at a depth of 30m just off the shoreline. I took a look on Google Maps and the theory poses the question that they turned around and headed back towards Papua New Guinea.

As Wingnutzer mentioned earlier, this flies in the face of the radio transmissions that she put out which suggests they believed they were at their destination Howard Island???

I read the articles and the researchers are growing in excitement that they've found it!
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Wow! That's very exciting!

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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by Vesparado » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 pm

SaraLima wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:25 pm
lodge wrote:would like to see the documentary
Hi Lodge, I have the documentary in my Google drive. PM me your email and I will share the link with you for you to download from my drive and watch on your own device .. full HD :-)
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by Wingnutter » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:12 am

The location of the wreckage just doesn’t fit the known facts - if they had turned around sometime after reporting they were in the vicinity of Howland Island (Noonan was a highly experienced navigator so they would have been at least close to their dead reckoning position), they wouldn’t have had enough fuel to make it to the wreckage location. I’ve heard many claims like this over the the years so I’m dubious.

From the article:

At 7:42 a.m., she radioed: “We must be on you, but cannot see you – but gas is running low. Have been unable to reach you by radio. We are flying at 1,000 feet”

At 8:43 a.m., Earhart reported, “We are on the line 157 337. We will repeat this message. We will repeat this on 6210 kilocycles. Wait.” And a few moments later: “We are running on line north and south.”

Map below shows position of Lae (departure point), Buka Island and Howland Island (destination). If they were low on fuel in the vicinity of Howland as they reported, how could they possibly make it back to Buka? Lae to Howland is a distance of 2556 nm (the longest leg on the trip) and they took off with 1100 gallons of fuel, which was not much more than what they needed for the leg.
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Re: Did Amelia Earhart Survive?

Unread post by SaraLima » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:40 pm

Hi All...

Just a quick note to anyone who may wish to see the documentary.. When this thread died more than a year ago, I removed the documentary from my Google Drive for space saving reasons.

I now no longer have this particular documentary on Amelia Earhart.

Sorry, but I cannot assist any requests to view it.

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