Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

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Re: Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

Unread post by Redmoon » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:32 am

You would never get medical aid or life insurance to pay out for this type of flying. My thoughts , if will increase the rate of accidents and media will have a field day reporting when <<moderated - language>> goes wrong. Too many egotistical people walking the soil of Africa.
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Re: Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:10 am

heisan wrote:
V5 - LEO wrote:...can we help, give us the info and we can send a few mails to evoke some action or replies? Or is that maybe a bad thing?
I am not sure if Project 24 still exists?
...but to "re-awake" this idea, what steps should be followed, or maybe a better question, why did it died?

...@ Redmoon, I do hear and agree with your view sir, BUT, daily drivers that should not even poses a pram kill themselves and those around them - the onus will still lies on the pilot to be trained well and extensively if he valued his life, CAA getting in bed with this, think it would take a lot of wining and dining before she succumbs!
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Re: Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

Unread post by Thermalator » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:19 am

Redmoon wrote:You would never get medical aid or life insurance to pay out for this type of flying. My thoughts , if will increase the rate of accidents and media will have a field day reporting when <<moderated - language>> goes wrong. Too many egotistical people walking the soil of Africa.
Bollocks ...utter utter bollocks
  • you do not PLAN / avoid PLANNING because Insurance may /may not be onboard ... that's rubbish - change your insurance company
  • worried about what the media say..?..ROFL :lol:
  • Egotistical you say ?? aha ! this is a variation of "SAFFER's don't respect rules - therefor we cannot have freedoms other countries have". You been drinking the CAA coolaid redmoon ?? - unacceptable
on the positive side of the coin or the full side of the glass :

this does not imply no training, no standards etc. it ONLY means that these are removed from the 1000's of pages of regs under part 141. Why can there not be community standards like e.g. SCUBA training courses that do not fall under a pyramid of useless law, only in cases where the general public is NOT at risk.
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Re: Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

Unread post by heisan » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:37 am

V5 - LEO wrote:
heisan wrote:
V5 - LEO wrote:...can we help, give us the info and we can send a few mails to evoke some action or replies? Or is that maybe a bad thing?
I am not sure if Project 24 still exists?
...but to "re-awake" this idea, what steps should be followed, or maybe a better question, why did it died?
Perhaps someone here has RAASA connections who can find out what is really happening with Part 24?

If I remember correctly, SAHPA (hang glider/paraglider association) had some proposals for Project 24 to broaden the scope of what could be defined as a 'powered hang glider'. They were rather poorly drafted but could have gone a long way towards part 103 like operations (there are already some Part103 aircraft being operated as 'powered hang gliders' under SAHPA).

Alternatively, and person or group of persons can prepare a proposal for the CAA (instructions are in Part 11). Obviously has more weight with a large representative body behind it. AOPA is not the right body though. EAA should be the right body, but it has been a long time since anyone representing the 'E' in 'EAA' was on the committee. It is also within the Aeroclub mandate - maybe the new board there will be more receptive to such ideas.
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Re: Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:41 am

I have always been envious of the Part103 and also questioned why we do not have something similar here even under some form of competency training and build inspection this would be a fantastic foundation on which GA will only benefit. I bet it takes more flight skills to successfully fly some of these tiny craft than as an example our modern SR22.

In my opinion the accident rate would not increase. Most accidents are due to navigational errors, weather related or pilot error. You can rule out pilot nav and weather related and wrt pilot error I would suggest that with an aircraft weighing 150kg and stall speed at running pace you wouldn't do more damage than a para-glider having a hard landing .

I would love to see this become a reality and encourage all to have a look at this video https://youtu.be/eNSN6qet1kE
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Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:12 pm

Same builder as before building a new design, looking for better endurance. How does this not benefit aviation ......

Part 1 https://youtu.be/QIpUNlEWogY

Part 2 released just yesterday https://youtu.be/NmLrVryvPEo
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Unread post by heinrich » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:27 pm

I also follow that guy's channel. Very "Affordaplane-like" design that he is building now.

That's where innovation comes from isn't it? =D> =D>
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Unread post by V5 - LEO » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:34 pm

.....great, I dig guys pushing the outside the box thinking and the actual DIY =D>
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Re: Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

Unread post by Tiki » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:56 pm

AFAIK it has been legal for quite some time....You need to be paid up member of SAPHA, successfully complete hang gliding training ,complete powered hang gliding endorsement... then buy an aircraft like the locally produced Zee https://www.hangglidingschool.com/Fore-Sale/
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Unread post by rainier » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:31 pm

HMMMMMMMmmmmmm........

You got me interested. That looks like FUN.

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Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:56 pm
AFAIK it has been legal for quite some time....You need to be paid up member of SAPHA, successfully complete hang gliding training ,complete powered hang gliding endorsement... then buy an aircraft like the locally produced Zee https://www.hangglidingschool.com/Fore-Sale/
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Re: Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

Unread post by bladerunner » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:56 pm

Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:12 pm
Same builder as before building a new design, looking for better endurance. How does this not benefit aviation ......

Part 1 https://youtu.be/QIpUNlEWogY

Part 2 released just yesterday https://youtu.be/NmLrVryvPEo
Part 3 - Love his work!
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Re: Part 103 - could it work in our parts of the world?

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:35 pm

bladerunner wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:56 pm
Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:12 pm
Same builder as before building a new design, looking for better endurance. How does this not benefit aviation ......

Part 1 https://youtu.be/QIpUNlEWogY

Part 2 released just yesterday https://youtu.be/NmLrVryvPEo


Part 3 - Love his work!
[YouTube2017]https://youtu.be/fMVHcmYJ7mc[/YouTube2017]
Thanks Blade runner I watched it the other day but I'm not impressed. Looks like he is underpowered and a bit tail heavy
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Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:47 pm

https://youtu.be/luSHaN_BGPY

Now this looks like fun
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Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:50 am

Another nice aircraft https://youtu.be/QjQY-Lyc9Pk
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Unread post by V5 - LEO » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:41 am

,,,,and that is why I think that this could work in our neck of the woods, so many new craft popping up and out that it could only benefit GA, do not be fooled by the "no license" means that there is no training, there is and must be!
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