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Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:24 am

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I think it is only funny because it is so true. :lol:

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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by apollo11 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:49 am

But here is what puzzles me Jim, somewhere between the learning to say No intersect and understanding prior stupidity intersect, you will get that potential guru who will make a classic should have known better mistake! Not usually, more the exception than the rule but sadly sometimes ending a lifetime of safe flying getting tripped up by a rookie mistake, or by thousands of decisions successfully taken now in one decision reversed that trend, usually due to pressure, get there itis...

So my observation is sometimes people that know it all or think they know it all get tripped up sooner or later due to squarely invoking the Dunning-Kruger effect and "innocent" experienced folk that do have a humble approach understand they are not infallible sometimes get tripped up because to err is human no matter how experienced, or sometimes purely face a situation beyond their control like a stuck valve, electrical failure whilst in IMC or an over torqued component that has sheared in flight. Here they are exonerated!

Immediately after typing this post I went to the mirror and loudly cawed I'm not a know it all I am still learning and I'm not suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect - I think! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by rare bird » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:23 am

Great!
thanks for sharing, Jim.
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by ACE MAN » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:14 am

Looks like an adaptation of a learning curve.
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:22 am

apollo11 wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:49 am
But here is what puzzles me Jim, somewhere between the learning to say No intersect and understanding prior stupidity intersect, you will get that potential guru who will make a classic should have known better mistake! Not usually, more the exception than the rule but sadly sometimes ending a lifetime of safe flying getting tripped up by a rookie mistake, or by thousands of decisions successfully taken now in one decision reversed that trend, usually due to pressure, get there itis...

So my observation is sometimes people that know it all or think they know it all get tripped up sooner or later due to squarely invoking the Dunning-Kruger effect and "innocent" experienced folk that do have a humble approach understand they are not infallible sometimes get tripped up because to err is human no matter how experienced, or sometimes purely face a situation beyond their control like a stuck valve, electrical failure whilst in IMC or an over torqued component that has sheared in flight. Here they are exonerated!

Immediately after typing this post I went to the mirror and loudly cawed I'm not a know it all I am still learning and I'm not suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect - I think! :lol: :lol:
Yep, Apollo, I kept reading it wrong as well. The vertical axis doesn't show safety - only confidence!

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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by apollo11 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:16 am

Hi Jim, ah ok thank you for that... :oops:
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by andrem » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:25 am

Not sure that Messrs Dunning and Kruger's research supports the graph - theirs related to a cognitive bias IIRC, whereby people who know more tend to speak less. Sort of how some people on AVCOM post more than their knowledge and experience can support :lol:
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:15 pm

Agreed Andrem.
I think they said that some are too incapable to realise there inability and the flipside is that some who are capable are to docile to do what they can.
I've coined my own saying which is; the Arrogance of ignorence.
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by HJK 414 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:48 pm

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A lack of Aptitude can be compensated by a great Attitude.....

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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:13 pm

Spoke Eagle wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:15 pm
Agreed Andrem.
I think they said that some are too incapable to realise there inability and the flipside is that some who are capable are to docile to do what they can.
I've coined my own saying which is; the Arrogance of ignorence.
Spokers - I really like that - the arrogance of ignorance. That says it all. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by andrem » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:48 pm

I used to be an expert on the Dunning–Kruger effect...


...but then I began to learn more about it.
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by andrem » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:51 pm

jimdavis wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:13 pm
Spoke Eagle wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:15 pm
Agreed Andrem.
I think they said that some are too incapable to realise there inability and the flipside is that some who are capable are to docile to do what they can.
I've coined my own saying which is; the Arrogance of ignorence.
Spokers - I really like that - the arrogance of ignorance. That says it all. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by bosvark » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:58 pm

My father used to say "Hy is te dom om te weet hy is onnosel" " He's too stupid to know he's stupid"
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by ACE MAN » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:02 pm

bosvark wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:58 pm
My father used to say "Hy is te dom om te weet hy is onnosel" " He's too stupid to know he's stupid"
And yet they roam among us - en mass
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Re: Dunning-Kruger effect.

Unread post by SaraLima » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:11 pm

ACE MAN wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:02 pm
bosvark wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:58 pm
My father used to say "Hy is te dom om te weet hy is onnosel" " He's too stupid to know he's stupid"
And yet they roam among us - en mass
Yep... and whats worse is that they "fly" among us.. and they maintain radio silence, so you can't even tell from their ATC calls which areas to avoid.
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