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Reckless Flying

Unread post by Domzi » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:30 am

Hi guys

what is reckless flying in you books? i visited a company that offers Microlight training and adventures (taking people for joy flights) last year and that place completely put me off. Pilots was taking customers for rides in microlights and was flying very low and fast over obstacles and just clearing buildings of the airstrip, to make it a Fun ride! is this the way to go? Help me if i am wrong i think that is a bit reckless?

Please note that i will not be giving any names as this post is not to give someone or company a bad name, i just posted this because i really had a bad experience just by watching them, i wasn't even in the air. would like your thoughts on something like this.
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Ray W » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:32 am

That doesn't sound reckless - it sounds damn stupid.
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Domzi » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:35 am

Ray W wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:32 am
That doesn't sound reckless - it sounds damn stupid.
i agree but i think to some people money is more important than the lives of others.
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by cage » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:02 am

Domzi wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:35 am
Ray W wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:32 am
That doesn't sound reckless - it sounds damn stupid.
i agree but i think to some people money is more important than the lives of others.
The general public are not aviation savvy and they expect an experience, assuming that those responsible will keep them safe while not fully understanding the risks.
Operators are happy to shred the rule book or operate in grey areas to attract punters and their cash.
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by C Africa » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:27 am

This is a good question. I went on a joy ride in a trike once (these guys were operating at a seaside holiday destination over the holidays).

First the guy dropped down on the beach and put one wheel one the ground while running parallel to the beach. The thing that worried me is that it was above the high water mark in the soft sand, not on the hard wet sand at low tide.

The when we went home for the landing, he switched the engine off while we were about 800 feet directly over the airfield and brought it in for a dead stick landing.

Is this something you do when you have a paying passenger on board?


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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by cage » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:32 am

C Africa wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:27 am
Is this something you do when you have a paying passenger on board?
Regs prohibit practicing emergencies with passengers.
91.07.27 The owner or operator of an aircraft, when passengers or cargo are on board such aircraft, shall ensure that no person—
(a) simulates emergency situations in the aircraft affecting the flight characteristics of such aircraft;
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:52 am

Its the same as a guy at the camp fire bringing out his brand new R100 grand Winchester and then wanting to show it off. It is stupid, does'nt have any meaning for the pax nor the quality of the aircraft. It only proves the pilot has a small dick.
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Domzi » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:02 pm

Spoke Eagle wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:52 am
Its the same as a guy at the camp fire bringing out his brand new R100 grand Winchester and then wanting to show it off. It is stupid, does'nt have any meaning for the pax nor the quality of the aircraft. It only proves the pilot has a small dick.
i guess these guys are all about showing off on what they can do, but it's really a sad world where proper pilots lose their lives when they fly as safe as they can an then these idiots flying reckless keeps on living and getting away with it. i do not wish harm to anyone flying but it's a fact.
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Ray W » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:23 pm

And what if somebody gets killed or seriously injured - will their insurance cover it - I doubt it very much.
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Artfly » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:15 pm

C Africa wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:27 am
This is a good question. I went on a joy ride in a trike once (these guys were operating at a seaside holiday destination over the holidays).

First the guy dropped down on the beach and put one wheel one the ground while running parallel to the beach. The thing that worried me is that it was above the high water mark in the soft sand, not on the hard wet sand at low tide.

The when we went home for the landing, he switched the engine off while we were about 800 feet directly over the airfield and brought it in for a dead stick landing.

Is this something you do when you have a paying passenger on board?


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I think we went with the same operator C Africa #-o
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Jean Crous » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:24 pm

Sad that there are "pilots" who do such mindlessly stupid things , just to "impress" the pax albeit paying or non paying pax.
This begs the question, what are the small tell-tale signs to watch for that will show up such a "pilot" before the flight ?
I as a rule do not go and fly with someone I do not know, works for me....
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Mustang » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:46 pm

My instructor took me twice during my last exercises for low flying. He told me in detail what to look out for, how to set up the aircraft for safe flight by also trimming for nose up and preferably flying upwind for the duration. He then requested me to look out for dangerous obstacles and I called it. When the Eskom powerline towers were observed among other things I called it and he pulled up immediately. He indeed gave me the chance to identify obstacles like fences, trees, farm houses, silos and towers myself and it gave me the confidence to know I can identify it properly. Next time he allowed me to do the low flying while he called the obstacles and I pulled out when I had to do it.

It was nice to have experienced the rush of speed near the ground but now I also know not to do it alone without another Pilot nor to take chances to actually do so. I fly for recreation at least twice every month but never had the urge again to do some low flying alone nor with friends as I am aware of the real dangers involved. I love my life and also want to stay alive for my wife and kid. I will not be doing some low flying soon again. Rather call me a live coward as it is my choice.
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Orthin Opter » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:10 pm

Mustang wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:46 pm
My instructor took me twice during my last exercises for low flying. He told me in detail what to look out for, how to set up the aircraft for safe flight by also trimming for nose up and preferably flying upwind for the duration. He then requested me to look out for dangerous obstacles and I called it. When the Eskom powerline towers were observed among other things I called it and he pulled up immediately. He indeed gave me the chance to identify obstacles like fences, trees, farm houses, silos and towers myself and it gave me the confidence to know I can identify it properly. Next time he allowed me to do the low flying while he called the obstacles and I pulled out when I had to do it.

It was nice to have experienced the rush of speed near the ground but now I also know not to do it alone without another Pilot nor to take chances to actually do so. I fly for recreation at least twice every month but never had the urge again to do some low flying alone nor with friends as I am aware of the real dangers involved. I love my life and also want to stay alive for my wife and kid. I will not be doing some low flying soon again. Rather call me a live coward as it is my choice.
Low flying is part of the syllabus and the area needs to be free of obstacles, so "calling obstacles" is doff. Having the confidence to identify obstacles (your words) will kill you.

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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by Mustang » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:26 pm

Orthin Opter wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:10 pm
Fly high, fly safe.
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Agree
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Re: Reckless Flying

Unread post by hugo_visser » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:09 am

Low flying is drone area.

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