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Airport Security

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:23 pm

How does one go about airport security these days?
My wife and I had a breggie at Wonderboom the other day. Returning to the apron we were refused because she had her weapon in her hand bag. Two minutes later the cops arrived to escort us to the Cop shop to lock up the weapon for retrieval later by car! Fortunately my kids were close and could take the thing home and keep it for me.
Now if I was to carry an Oxygen bottle like on the other thread or a pen knife or a blooming baseball batt what then?
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by Clinton01 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:29 pm

I take it that this was a non-scheduled flight? I wonder how they will deal with a party of hunters armed to the teeth with high powered hunting rifles heading out on safari with a chartered aircraft.
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:31 pm

PPL going for a meal.
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:52 pm

Spoke Eagle wrote:
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PPL going for a meal.
I was wondering if it would have not been better to declare it to security on arrival and then they may have been comfortable with you taking it back out again when you wanted to again access the apron?

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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by cage » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:53 pm

Does part 92 (dangerous goods) not apply?
Not to mention avsec requirements for airports.
Would seem common sense that taking a weapon into an airport which has security requirements (sterile areas) is not a smart thing to do.
The risk of handing off a dangerous item to someone else is pretty high which is why there are strict requirements.
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by opsmike » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:11 pm

Here at Lanseria we understood the requirement for GA to carry weapons on board such as hunting parties so we employed gun couriers. The process is simple, report to SAPS and have the weapon checked for the correct licenses, then its handed over to the courier who takes it to the the aircraft and hands it/them over to the PIC. He waits for the aircraft to depart to ensure it/them doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by cage » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:16 pm

opsmike wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:11 pm
Here at Lanseria we understood the requirement for GA to carry weapons on board such as hunting parties so we employed gun couriers. The process is simple, report to SAPS and have the weapon checked for the correct licenses, then its handed over to the courier who takes it to the the aircraft and hands it/them over to the PIC. He waits for the aircraft to depart to ensure it/them doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
Mike, is a dedicated GA gate operational yet or do you still have to go through that rigmarole of "checking in"?
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:38 pm

opsmike wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:11 pm
Here at Lanseria we understood the requirement for GA to carry weapons on board such as hunting parties so we employed gun couriers. The process is simple, report to SAPS and have the weapon checked for the correct licenses, then its handed over to the courier who takes it to the the aircraft and hands it/them over to the PIC. He waits for the aircraft to depart to ensure it/them doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
Mike, what do you do when it's the other way around, ie, the GA person arriving is carrying a personal firearm?

Does he just report in on arrival so that he can take it out again?

Is there a system in place to stop him from handing that over to someone who's departing on an outgoing flight?
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by SlingPilot » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:50 pm

Spoke Eagle wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:23 pm
How does one go about airport security these days?
My wife and I had a breggie at Wonderboom the other day. Returning to the apron we were refused because she had her weapon in her hand bag. Two minutes later the cops arrived to escort us to the Cop shop to lock up the weapon for retrieval later by car! Fortunately my kids were close and could take the thing home and keep it for me.
Now if I was to carry an Oxygen bottle like on the other thread or a pen knife or a blooming baseball batt what then?
I have to ask, are general aviation flights screened at all airports in SA or just Wonderboon? Here in the states, GA pilots and passengers come and go to their aircraft without screening, even at airports with commercial operations. Granted, GA ops are usually separated from the airline ops side.
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by opsmike » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:56 pm

cage wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:16 pm
opsmike wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:11 pm
Here at Lanseria we understood the requirement for GA to carry weapons on board such as hunting parties so we employed gun couriers. The process is simple, report to SAPS and have the weapon checked for the correct licenses, then its handed over to the courier who takes it to the the aircraft and hands it/them over to the PIC. He waits for the aircraft to depart to ensure it/them doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
Mike, is a dedicated GA gate operational yet or do you still have to go through that rigmarole of "checking in"?
Hi Cage its open, you will find it at the drop off zone


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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by opsmike » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:57 pm

SlingPilot wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:50 pm
Spoke Eagle wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:23 pm
How does one go about airport security these days?
My wife and I had a breggie at Wonderboom the other day. Returning to the apron we were refused because she had her weapon in her hand bag. Two minutes later the cops arrived to escort us to the Cop shop to lock up the weapon for retrieval later by car! Fortunately my kids were close and could take the thing home and keep it for me.
Now if I was to carry an Oxygen bottle like on the other thread or a pen knife or a blooming baseball batt what then?
I have to ask, are general aviation flights screened at all airports in SA or just Wonderboon? Here in the states, GA pilots and passengers come and go to their aircraft without screening, even at airports with commercial operations. Granted, GA ops are usually separated from the airline ops side.
Hi

Only screened if they are on the same apron as commercial aviation
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:14 pm

It seems one is in the wrong if you carry anything in your aircraft or on your person that is banned from commercial flights if you share the apron.
We should be very carefull then because lots of things I carry on board normally would not be allowed on a Com. flight so over zealous security can make your life uncomfortable or at least cause lots of embarresment.
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Re: Airport Security

Unread post by southside » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:32 am

Hi all

I would like to understand the logic of the Lanseria permit system?

I can fly my aeroplane into Lanseria without a permit, walk around the GA airside with all my passengers, jump back in and fly out. Should we choose to leave the airside I now need to pay for a permit for myself and all my pax to get back to my aircraft?

However I can fly in, park on the main apron, walk around there amongst the airlines, go into the terminal and get back without needing a permit, just my license. I cannot see the logic in this system?

Why does a licensed pilot need a permit to go airside at GA but not the main apron? Why should a licensed pilot need a permit at all? And once you get the permit, you still cant go airside without an escourt. So then why am I paying for a permit?

I do not mind paying for a permit if there is a logical reason for it and this reason is consistent. It annoys me that it is very inconsistent and I frankly think it is just a money making scheme.

If the CAA should stop someone airside and ask them for a permit, a valid license should more than suffice? The permit paper is completely worthless in my opinion and does nothing but make money for the airport and annoy it's customers.

Furthermore, the permit office is only open from 6am-6pm. Should you wish to get to your aircraft at GA apron or on the south side outside of these hours, how do you do that? Yet I can get airside on the main apron at any time by using my licence. The latter is how it should be for all the areas at Lanseria. If they insist on having the permit paper, then a person who produces a valid license should then at least not have to pay for it.

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