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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by OG » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:03 pm

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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by Clinton01 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:11 pm

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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by 117 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:46 pm

Clinton01 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:11 pm
OG wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:03 pm
Six 🙄
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C2... Can you name the types? ( OG not allowed to list them yet)

Ya ya... It's off topic
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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by Clinton01 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:55 pm

117 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:46 pm
Clinton01 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:11 pm
OG wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:03 pm
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C2... Can you name the types? ( OG not allowed to list them yet)

Ya ya... It's off topic
I am guessing about the first one - an ASW20? Then there were a couple of ASW27s - an A and a B. Then a couple of JS1s - and now the JS3?
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Unread post by 117 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:01 pm

You're guessing along the same lines as me:

20a ( not sure where that went)
20b (think it became 4D)
27a (became 2T)
27b ( became VS)
Js1c ( stayed OG in auz)
Js3 ( current ride)

How close am i OG?
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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by OG » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:18 pm

Close. Only one 20Bl, and I had a JS1b before the one I left in Oz. The JS1b is now in Estonia
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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by ArthurDent » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:51 pm

SlowApproach wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:07 pm
I'm curious now: Exactly how many "valuable contributors" have been "lost"?

Considering that Avcom has around 24732 registered members and really only a very few of those are making any posts at all and with 100s of thousands only lurking, something is wrong, very wrong. And it's not Avcom's fault. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Avcom itself!

I've been contacted via PM by people asking me something because they don't want to post their questions or opinions publicly, because they are afraid of being ridiculed or put down. There is a distinct perception that unless you are an airline pilot with 10000 hours under your belt or you have flown 20 different aircraft types over 40 years, you are a total nobody and should either be ignored or ridiculed. In other words, there is some perceived exclusivity going on. And THEREIN lies the fault.
I am a reasonably new member to Avcom, having joined when my previous hangout started dying and was closed down. I don't think too much should be read into posters coming and going. At my previous forum, the owner and almost all of the original moderators (with very high post-counts) all at some stage stopped posting regularly. I think there just comes a time when the signal to noise ratio just gets too bad to continue with any sort of coherent discussion. The Cemair thread on this forum is an example.

The reason I picked the above post to quote was just because it makes a few relevant points, not all of them right :wink:

Aviation is a very wide field. Even in very specialised applications (like airlines) there could be specialists in even smaller compartments. As I moved into management and got exposure to regulators from other countries and especially EASA, I realised how little the average SA pilot (or actually pilots in general) knows about the regulating framework, compliance and day-to-day running changes to stay compliant.

For example, if you operate an aircraft with a 90/120/180 minute ETOPS (LROPS/ExtOps/EDTO/Whatever you want to call it), it basically means that you have to be within 90/120/180 minutes of a suitable airfield (at reduced speed) at all times. This means that most airlines have a department which monitors NOTAMS and weather and changes routes to comply whenever an ETOPS alternate becomes unsuitable, even for a short time. Can you imagine the resources this takes when you are operating hundreds of long range aircraft all over the world?

The reason for bringing this up is that all subjects on Avcom are not equal in terms of discussion. Everybody can have an opinion about everything, but in some cases the contribution of those who KNOW so far outweigh the contribution of those who think/feel/believe, that the arguments become inane and childishly irritating to those who know.

This is where posters who know lose patience and leave, never to return. Although I don't consider myself an expert, I have been in the airline industry for many decades and realise that airline pilots and hobby pilots are usually not good at arguing, because they come at any argument from so far apart. On some subjects the airline pilots will be more knowledgeable and on others the hobbyists would and the subject matter matters, so to speak.

A good book to describe some of the modern internet arguments: https://books.google.co.za/books/about/ ... f_DQAAQBAJ

Here is the opposing view:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the ... expertise/
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Unread post by GL » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:21 pm

Lovely Post Arthur - but ahem - from a quick glance through - don't you maybe think David Pearl was being satirical? ie he actually supports Nicholls?
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Unread post by evanb » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:35 pm

ArthurDent wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:51 pm
For example, if you operate an aircraft with a 90/120/180 minute ETOPS (LROPS/ExtOps/EDTO/Whatever you want to call it), it basically means that you have to be within 90/120/180 minutes of a suitable airfield (at reduced speed) at all times. This means that most airlines have a department which monitors NOTAMS and weather and changes routes to comply whenever an ETOPS alternate becomes unsuitable, even for a short time. Can you imagine the resources this takes when you are operating hundreds of long range aircraft all over the world?
This is fairly automated with the current generation of flight planning software.
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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by Chris » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:56 pm

Whirly wrote:
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Leave it be, we have been over this time and time again. AvCom has been around for 15+ years and we have lost and gained members all the time. Nobody is irreplaceable (although some might think they are! :roll: ). Nothing stops someone from registering using a bogus name, the mods and administrators don't have time to police all this. Eventually we all know who the real persons are.

If you don't like what someone posts or don't like a thread, move along swiftly, you are not being forced to read it.

Some people need to get over themselves. :roll:

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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by Bearcat » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:05 pm

Chris wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:56 pm
Whirly wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:02 am
Leave it be, we have been over this time and time again. AvCom has been around for 15+ years and we have lost and gained members all the time. Nobody is irreplaceable (although some might think they are! :roll: ). Nothing stops someone from registering using a bogus name, the mods and administrators don't have time to police all this. Eventually we all know who the real persons are.

If you don't like what someone posts or don't like a thread, move along swiftly, you are not being forced to read it.

Some people need to get over themselves. :roll:

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Now if I only knew your real name I could buy you a beer :lol: :lol: :lol:
Whirly pretty much echoes my sentiments on this topic =D>

Often overlooked though, is that we have members here that are subject experts in areas outside of aviation .. I have learnt much valuable stuff from these contributors.... so a big thank you to them as well =D>
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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by Clinton01 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:00 pm

A few years back I was doing research in how students work together on group projects, specifically the use of Communities of Practice. Now 'Communities of Practice are formed by people who engage in a process of collective learning in a shared domain of human endeavor.'. (Etienne and Beverly Wenger-Trayner, 2015).

What I found is that creating a CoP to address a specific portion of group projects, I found students from the different groups then started working together to address the common problems specific to the areas they were responsible for. I had 13 groups of six students all working on the complete design project. However, the student from each separate group who were working on my specific area of interest was invited to join the CoP. 9 of the 13 students chose to join the CoP. What I found is that all the students benefitted, even those who were not directly involved in the CoP. The freedom of exchanging ideas spread across all 13 groups because they were working in shared computer labs on their designs.

So what does this have to with Avcom? Well if you go back to the original description - you will see that Avcom is an example of a CoP. Maybe somebody lurking here - not even contributing to the discussion actually reads something that saves their life - then the benefit of Avcom could be very real. And the rest of the CoP would not even realise that these discussions saved lives.

Keep up the discussions - you never know whose life you may save, it may even be your own. Oh - and my research into CoPs got me two fully paid for trips overseas to present my findings - as obvious as they seem. :D

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Unread post by V5 - LEO » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:08 pm

...now Clinton that is a most valuable contribution - I agree fully with your concept of CoP. =D> =D>
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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by Roger » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:56 am

Damn it Clinton! You got me looking for the bloody like button now too. :D Gonna have to do something about that! Watch this space.

Really great post. Has me asking - Did someone say we are loosing valuable contributors? :lol:
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Re: Avcom losing valuable contributors.

Unread post by Clinton01 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:46 am

Thanks V5 and Roger.

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