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Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by plane^driver » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:42 am

Good Day all...

What is the average time frame for a student to complete a PPL doing it full time? I know when I did mine many years ago the average was around 4-5 weeks.

A friends son is busy with his PPL in Gauteng, not going to name the school, but he is 6 weeks in and only done 18hrs. I understand weather and maintenance can cause delays but this seems a bit excessive.

Thanks in advance....
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Re: Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:50 am

plane^driver wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:42 am
Good Day all...

What is the average time frame for a student to complete a PPL doing it full time? I know when I did mine many years ago the average was around 4-5 weeks.

A friends son is busy with his PPL in Gauteng, not going to name the school, but he is 6 weeks in and only done 18hrs. I understand weather and maintenance can cause delays but this seems a bit excessive.

Thanks in advance....
Its a piece of string question. There is just no way to answer it accurately. I would suggest your friend calls the school directly and ask for feedback, then lets talk here about what the feedback is. Just because he is your friends son shouldn't mean it will be a swift process everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. Also please don't put pressure on the kid, in fact that could be a reason.........

Anyways have a chat with the CFI and see what they say.
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Re: Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by AviatorCharlie » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:27 pm

Hi Plane driver,

I would say 4 to 5 weeks is unrealistic. Normally flight schools recommend 12 weeks nowadays.

Even 12 weeks is pushing it in with the weather, viz and busy schedules of the flight schools here in Joburg.

I would say that a realistic time-frame would be 4 months.
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Re: Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by IKTAV » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:34 pm

These days its seldom that I see anyone finishing in less than 4 months.
Back in the olden days, I took almost a year to finish my PPL. Mainly because I was still at school and could barely afford to fly 4 hours a month.
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Re: Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by cage » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:45 pm

If I may ask, what is the rush?
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Re: Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:17 pm

plane^driver wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:42 am
Good Day all...

What is the average time frame for a student to complete a PPL doing it full time? I know when I did mine many years ago the average was around 4-5 weeks.

A friends son is busy with his PPL in Gauteng, not going to name the school, but he is 6 weeks in and only done 18hrs. I understand weather and maintenance can cause delays but this seems a bit excessive.

Thanks in advance....
Greetings PD, on the face of it I would say he is getting a raw deal. If it is a 'full-time' course there is absolutely no reason he would not be able to average 1.5 hours a day. Allow another 3.5 hours for briefings, debriefing and preflight inspections. So we have now used up 5 hours out of say an 8 hour day - so he has three hours for lectures and self study and still plenty of time for a social life in the evenings.

But this is if, and only if, everyone is working towards achieving a reasonable goal of completing say 50 hours in just over a month.

This means that both pupil and instructor must be prepared to start flying at first light. My guess is that this is where the system is falling apart. They are probably not getting into the air before 8:30 and then picking up the heavy traffic which interferes with circuit training, and then there is a crosswind, and then the afternoon thunderstorms start etc etc etc. Yawn.

Pre-solo training needs early morning calm weather. The pupil has to learn how the aircraft responds to his every movement of the controls at the varying airspeeds that he experiences during takeoff and landing. Once he has got that foundation then some wind and turbulence are great. But if he is not getting the calm air to start with then he is going to take a long long time even to go solo.

The pupil also needs to have only ONE main instructor - and that must be a good one.

Blaming the weather just doesn't cut it with me. It might cause a bit of a ripple around cross-country time but even these can be planned around the weather.

I have a very strong feeling that either the student or the instructor/school is not putting their back into it.

If you, or the student, or his father would like to send me a PM I will gladly discuss this with you and advise you as well as I am able.

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Re: Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by cage » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:24 pm

How many schools are actually geared up for full time training?
Between other students, could it not be a case of doing their best but everyone has different expectations?
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Re: Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:25 pm

cage wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:45 pm
If I may ask, what is the rush?
Full-time courses have a number of advantages over the one-or-two-weekends-a-month deal. By far the greatest advantage is, of course, continuity.

If one is studying to become a doctor, or almost any profession, one goes to university full time - you don't just pitch up when the weather looks fine.

Besides it seems that the original arrangement was for a full-time course. To me it seems that the student is either not putting his back into it, or the instructor/flying school is seriously short changing the youngster.

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Re: Average time to complete a PPL?

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:36 pm

Agreed when it comes to practical, mostly but not only then it must be noted that flying falls into the category of perishable skills. So full time is in everyone's benefit as there is no two steps forward one step back nonsense. Every part timer has the best intentions of completing as soon as possible but life always gets in the way and training is put on the back burner, and who can blame them. But full timers know from the beginning that this is their priority.
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