Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

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Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Darren » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:18 pm

So a pair of unmarked camouflaged Gazelle helicopters have been spotted in Pemba, with local talk of them belonging to a private security company. There are rumours about which company in particular, but I can't reveal that until there's more confirmation.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/ ... ozambique/

Can anyone help me with possibly identifying the serials or construction numbers of these Gazelles?
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by meerlanden » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:23 am

the paint scheme looks familiar. Just a wild guess, on loan from Paramount perhaps?
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Darren » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:33 am

meerlanden wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:23 am
the paint scheme looks familiar. Just a wild guess, on loan from Paramount perhaps?
That's the Armée de Terre paint scheme, common to all the ex-French Gazelles that were sold off.
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Fransw » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:02 pm

Private security guys from the Angola oil industry?
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Darren » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:31 pm

Fransw wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:02 pm
Private security guys from the Angola oil industry?
We thought so too, but they're denying it. The claim is that these are outside contractors, probably South African.
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by cage » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:38 pm

Darren wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:31 pm
We thought so too, but they're denying it. The claim is that these are outside contractors, probably South African.
Would private contractors be allowed to remove their registration markings?
You would think any government would be concerned about that, unless of course they already know.
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Darren » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:40 pm

cage wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:38 pm
Would private contractors be allowed to remove their registration markings?
You would think any government would be concerned about that, unless of course they already know.
That's one of the mysteries we're trying to solve. Flying without markings must surely have the permission of the Mozambican government, which means they've hired a PMC to help with the insecurity in Cabo Delgado.
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Falafel » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:18 pm

There has been some press about the company who is assisting with security in the North and in full agreement of the Moz govt. Believe at one time were discussing no payment in return for some of the proceeds of the anticipated peace but thats just speculation :wink:
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Darren » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:26 pm

I know there were reports of Erik Prince's involvement, which it seems was based on an EO-style resources deal in return for services. But the claim is that this is not Prince's outfit. Specifically that these Gazelles were previously used in West Africa in 2015.
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Diesel-3 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:00 pm

French Foreign Legion?
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Darren » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:04 pm

The FFL does not operate without markings.
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:54 pm

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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by biffvj » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:59 pm

https://mg.co.za/article/2019-04-25-the ... an-explain
Developing regions of the world with large quantities of oil or natural gas are targets for destabilization. One must look behind the scenes to see who benefits the most in these scenarios, they are the ones behind the conflict. If there is peace in a region they have to pay for what they get. When there is conflict and corruption, they can steal the country blind.
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Re: Unmarked Gazelle helicopters in Mozambique

Unread post by Falafel » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:33 am

biffvj wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:59 pm
https://mg.co.za/article/2019-04-25-the ... an-explain
Developing regions of the world with large quantities of oil or natural gas are targets for destabilization. One must look behind the scenes to see who benefits the most in these scenarios, they are the ones behind the conflict. If there is peace in a region they have to pay for what they get. When there is conflict and corruption, they can steal the country blind.
Not sure this part of the world necessarily requires any assistance in creating conflict... may be a bit of a reach implicating the companies mentioned in creating the mess...

There is alot of info about who is likely active in the area (foreign companies) and my guess would be rather that the Moz government is hiding it not because of anything else other than these companies are being allowed to "do their business" without prying eyes and criticisms of the press about the governments own inability to manage the situation... there would also likely be some major criticisms about how they are being remunerated if the rumor mill is anything to go by.

IMHO Africa is incapable of sorting its own problems out largely which has created opportunities for certain companies. It is not worth levelling blame at the companies themselves but the ineptitude of the government concerned... Its good business and like everything else, sometimes the private sector just does it better :roll: :roll: :roll:

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