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Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Rockwell » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:50 am

Had a great day out and found the show well organised, clean and well flowing program.
What got me though was no.4 Falcon "goodbye flypast" did something that I never saw at any airshow..even Oshkosh or RIAT
He shook all controls left to right repeatedly and jitterly, making it seem that the aircraft is out of control, putting unnecessary stresses on the airframe and showing no respect to the aircraft or the SAAF for that matter. Just my 2c... :shock: #-o
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Deanw » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:05 am

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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by RiNCEw1ND » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:25 am

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Eh. I didn't think it was too bad. I doubt you are putting the aircraft through much stress wise that it isn't going through during the display anyway. It was kinda comical, and you are right, something I haven't really seen before.

I won't be losing sleep over it, but I do get where you are coming from.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:30 am

I am intrigued - did the commentator have anything to say about it?

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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by RiNCEw1ND » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:39 am

jimdavis wrote:
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I am intrigued - did the commentator have anything to say about it?

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Not too sure how best to describe it Jim, tried finding a video of something similar but struck out. Commentators didn't have anything to say.

I guess the best way to put it is that the pilot made small, erratic control inputs to make the aircraft appear skittish or jittery? Maybe shaky? Having never flown a PC-7 I would guess from outside that the control inputs were pretty small and light.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Air Bear » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:47 am

RiNCEw1ND wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:39 am
jimdavis wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:30 am
I am intrigued - did the commentator have anything to say about it?

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Not too sure how best to describe it Jim, tried finding a video of something similar but struck out. Commentators didn't have anything to say.

I guess the best way to put it is that the pilot made small, erratic control inputs to make the aircraft appear skittish or jittery? Maybe shaky? Having never flown a PC-7 I would guess from outside that the control inputs were pretty small and light.
Or perhaps he was just waggling his wings to say good bye? Pretty Common, completely safe
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by RiNCEw1ND » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:51 am

Air Bear wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:47 am
RiNCEw1ND wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:39 am
jimdavis wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:30 am
I am intrigued - did the commentator have anything to say about it?

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Not too sure how best to describe it Jim, tried finding a video of something similar but struck out. Commentators didn't have anything to say.

I guess the best way to put it is that the pilot made small, erratic control inputs to make the aircraft appear skittish or jittery? Maybe shaky? Having never flown a PC-7 I would guess from outside that the control inputs were pretty small and light.
Or perhaps he was just waggling his wings to say good bye? Pretty Common, completely safe
Definitely not a regular wing waggle. I have never seen it before, as the original poster says too. "Shaky" describes it the best I think. Movement around all 3 axes.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by E816 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:28 am

It was hardly a high speed pass and the inputs would've been small and nowhere near full deflection of control surfaces, so I can't imagine it putting any strain on the airframe.

I thought it was something refreshing, besides, the Silver Falcon guys are fantastic and I have the biggest respect for them. On more than one occasion have we heard them on the radio en-route somewhere, asked for a flypast, and the guys always do their best to accommodate us. Stand up guys in books!
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Exsaaf » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:44 am

Pilot nicknamed The Joker according to commentator
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:05 am

Saw similar on their display at Bethlehem.

I really don't think it is anything too dramatic - it looks like forward and aft elevator deflection with a bit of wing waggle. I'm sure well within the aircraft capabilities - probably not even -1G.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by richard C » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:47 pm

In the afternoon display the last two Falcons did it. Was kind of funny in its own way. Still prefer an elegant slow roll myself.

Only 3 Falcons in the formation (with the newbie doing a separate solo display). Must say - was very, very thin.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by homebuilt » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:53 pm

Sounds to me like instead of moving the stick left to right as one would for a regular wing waggle, he moved it in a circular motion which would affect roll as well as pitch. Should not be too dangerous or damaging if done softly without too much force I would suspect. The structural boffins would know.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:02 pm

Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:05 am
Saw similar on their display at Bethlehem.

I really don't think it is anything too dramatic - it looks like forward and aft elevator deflection with a bit of wing waggle. I'm sure well within the aircraft capabilities - probably not even -1G.
Normal flight is 1G

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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by RiNCEw1ND » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:05 pm

jimdavis wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:02 pm
Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:05 am
Saw similar on their display at Bethlehem.

I really don't think it is anything too dramatic - it looks like forward and aft elevator deflection with a bit of wing waggle. I'm sure well within the aircraft capabilities - probably not even -1G.
Normal flight is 1G

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I think he means negative 1G? Although nothing I saw would suggest any significant negative G.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by apollo11 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:15 pm

I enjoyed the show and forever enjoy the classic "Air Force style" aero's as done by the Harvard Silver Falcons Pitts guys and was it the Extra's aero team also nicely flown, especially enjoyed the C185 and Boskbok and the Chipmunk and Tiger Moth, nice formation displays too, the Gyro was nice and the Little Annie Antonov 2 was pretty amazing. Rather less aircraft this year but still a nice show, Hawk and Gripen good to watch as were the Alos' and Oryx... P51 just fantastic that sound... at the end the Trike formation was cool to watch.

I thought the L39 flown by Glenn Warden was beautifully smooth flying.

An Afrikaans kid watching the Gripen kid goes "kyk pa hy poep rooi flam" A few people almost died laughing, I went over to him and said in my best Afrikaans daai vliegtuig ou perd se naam is Vlamgat! (All respect to the F1 but there's a new Sherrif in town)The kid's face was priceless we all rolled around with laughter...

I thought the Falcons control input shake at the end of their show was different and a little bit of harmless fun.

My only real disappointment was not finding a pancake stall, I walked all over, not one! Traditionally I guzzle down 4 before the show starts with a cup of Joe... Airshow = pancakes, next time I'll get my Ma to make a few to take along just in case... :lol:
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