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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Rockwell » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:22 pm

'Homebuilt' is correct in that it was caused by several circular movements of the stick at around 1 per sec.
The issue wasn't raised because of structural risk, not even close. The issue for me is if Mr. Joker had paid the $3.9mill pricetag on the Pilatus himself, would he have done such a maneuver? #-o Maybe it's just me or does anything go these days in the name of entertainment?
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Darren » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:39 pm

Nothing in the Silver Falcons display is ever spontaneous, everything is discussed, planned, approved, and then trialled before being used at a public event.

Part of that planning and approval process involves questions around strain on aircraft, with all manoeuvres being planned to produce as little stress as possible while still looking interesting or impressive from the ground. Every Silver Falcons display you see is the result of hours and hours of preparation on the ground and in the air, and the SAAF's aircraft life management is extremely good.

In my view this thread was started in the wrong tone. It would've been better to ask whether a manoeuvre such as this might place undue stress on the airframe, rather than assuming that the pilot was being reckless and careless.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:59 pm

RiNCEw1ND wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:05 pm
jimdavis wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:02 pm
Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:05 am
Saw similar on their display at Bethlehem.

I really don't think it is anything too dramatic - it looks like forward and aft elevator deflection with a bit of wing waggle. I'm sure well within the aircraft capabilities - probably not even -1G.
Normal flight is 1G

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I think he means negative 1G? Although nothing I saw would suggest any significant negative G.
Correct, I did mean NEGATIVE 1g. And I implied probably NOT EVEN -1
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Whirly » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:01 pm

Much ado about nothing. :roll:

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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:04 pm

Whirly wrote:
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Much ado about nothing. :roll:

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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by MadMacs » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:41 pm

I always loved Buti Tsebe's goodbye flypast.
When they use the loaded term "denier" that should be the first clue that we're not dealing with a rational opponent in a debate... but "religious" dogma.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Shanebritz » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:37 pm

apollo11 wrote:
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I enjoyed the show and forever enjoy the classic "Air Force style" aero's as done by the Harvard Silver Falcons Pitts guys and was it the Extra's aero team also nicely flown, especially enjoyed the C185 and Boskbok and the Chipmunk and Tiger Moth, nice formation displays too, the Gyro was nice and the Little Annie Antonov 2 was pretty amazing. Rather less aircraft this year but still a nice show, Hawk and Gripen good to watch as were the Alos' and Oryx... P51 just fantastic that sound... at the end the Trike formation was cool to watch.

I thought the L39 flown by Glenn Warden was beautifully smooth flying.

An Afrikaans kid watching the Gripen kid goes "kyk pa hy poep rooi flam" A few people almost died laughing, I went over to him and said in my best Afrikaans daai vliegtuig ou perd se naam is Vlamgat! (All respect to the F1 but there's a new Sherrif in town)The kid's face was priceless we all rolled around with laughter...

I thought the Falcons control input shake at the end of their show was different and a little bit of harmless fun.

My only real disappointment was not finding a pancake stall, I walked all over, not one! Traditionally I guzzle down 4 before the show starts with a cup of Joe... Airshow = pancakes, next time I'll get my Ma to make a few to take along just in case... :lol:
Bwaaahaahaa, I feel your pain about the pancakes bro! Walked my mielies off looking for some!
Decent show. It seemed a bit fragmented and slow to me. Team extreme were amazing.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Kibim » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:14 pm

This was the first big airshow I can remember attending since being at school. I really enjoyed it.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Spice » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:27 am

...wait till this thread is read by the media and see how they too blow such a thing out of proportion....

Safety of personnel and the aircraft is not negotiable in the SAAF, never has, never will be. Claiming the pilot was reckless and placed undue stress on a aircraft he has been entrusted with once again show the general lack of aviation knowledge and awareness by the public in general.

By the way, nothing is done on the 'spur of the moment' too during any flying display, all shows are validated prior to it been given, no matter how many have been done in the past.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Whirly » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:31 am

jimdavis wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:04 pm
Whirly wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:01 pm
Much ado about nothing. :roll:

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Shaking around all over the sky might be nothing to a chopper pilot, but the rest of us ordinary oukes find it quite alarming. 8)

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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:30 pm

I have it on good authority that there was a massive spider in the cockpit
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by spatz » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:29 pm

Airwayfreak wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:30 pm
I have it on good authority that there was a massive spider in the cockpit
Obviously the only way you can have hands on all the required controls simultaneously , long live the spider
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by brandsman » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:26 pm

It was my first airshow attendance for a few years and I was pleasantly surprised by how many people were there and that they were from diverse backgrounds, which I think is a positive indication for the future. Good displays, well catered, and an enjoyable day all round. Well done to the organisers for getting it so right - my son really enjoyed the P-51 and was very chuffed to meet the pilot. I thoroughly enjoyed the 8 ship of Harvards and both the Hawk and Gripen displays were well flown - and Glenn excelled in the L-39.
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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Mars » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:17 pm

The maneuver in question, go to 4:13... keep the sound down..

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Re: Swartkop airshow and Silver Falcons

Unread post by Deanw » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:45 pm

Cute little maneuver, I like it. :D
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