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Shut up, gringo

Unread post by GL » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:31 pm

Was sent to me this morning - made my day -
The 747 Captain declared to his crew that the non-precision approach will be successful, or “we’ll die trying”, and they did. He famously told the GPWS to ‘Shut up, gringo.’
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by UVGOD » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:00 pm

In 1984 an Avianca jet crashed, Avianca is the European airlines from Spain. An Avianca jet crashed in Spain, I mean it was a big jet and it crashed into a mountain, and everybody was just instantly dead. As investigators began to study the accident they made an eerie discovery and this discovery that they make often is the curiosity that all of us look for, you know when they find the little black flight recorder. The black box cockpit recorder revealed that several minutes before a fatal impact, (the plane ran right into the side of a mountain), several minutes before the fatal impact there was a shrill computer synthesized voice like you hear on the telephone sometimes, a computer voice. And the little voice said in English, “Pull up, pull up, pull up, pull up, pull up!”. Well it was a warning system, right? The pilot, (and the flight recorder had this on it), the pilot inexplicably snapped back, “Shut up Gringo . . . shut up Gringo!” and flipped off the warning voice . . . flipped the switch. Minutes later the plane smashed into the mountain and everybody was dead. That’s a parable of how people are treating their consciences today. “Shut up gringo!”
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by UVGOD » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:03 pm

From Wiki:

Avianca Flight 011, registration HK-2910, was a Boeing 747-283B on an international scheduled passenger flight from Frankfurt via Paris and Madrid to Bogotá.
Avianca Flight 011 took off from Paris-Charles de Gaulle (CDG) at 22:25 for a flight to Bogotá (BOG) via Madrid (MAD).
The Boeing 747 climbed to a cruising altitude of FL370. At 23:31 the crew contacted Madrid ACC, receiving clearance to continue to the Madrid VOR via Pamplona, Barahona, and Castejón. Fifteen minutes later the flight was cleared to descend to FL190. At 23:52 they were cleared down to FL90: "Avianca 011 está pasando Barahona, proceda ya directo a Charlie Papa Lima, y continúe descenso para el nivel nueve cero, cambio." ("Avianca 011 is passing Barahona, proceed directly to Charlie Papa Lima and continue descent to level nine zero, over.")
After contacting Madrid Approach at 23:56 they were cleared for a runway 33 approach. After reaching FL090 at 00:00 they were cleared further down. Madrid Tower at 00:03 then cleared the flight to land. Instead of turning right at the Madrid VOR, the crew initiated a turn short of the VOR beacon. The aircraft descended below the minimum descent altitude for that area.
The right main gear and no. 4 engine hit a hill at an altitude of 2247 feet and a speed of 142 knots. Three seconds later the aircraft impacted a second hill at a speed of 135 knots and a 4.9 degree nose-up attitude. Six seconds after contacting the 2nd hill, the aircraft (at 126 kts) hit the ground with the right wing, which broke off. The Boeing cartwheeled, broke in five pieces and came to rest upside down. Only 11 of the 169 passengers survived, and there were no survivors among the 23 crew. Among the dead were Peruvian poet Manuel Scorza, Mexican novelist Jorge Ibargüengoitia, and Uruguayan literary critic Ángel Rama.
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by Antman » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:08 pm

Avianca is the European airlines from Spain
Small correction its a Columbian Airline. Same crowd that ran out of fuel trying to get into JFK on S#$%y night.
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:10 pm

UVGOD wrote:In 1984 an Avianca jet crashed, Avianca is the European airlines from Spain. An Avianca jet crashed in Spain, I mean it was a big jet and it crashed into a mountain, and everybody was just instantly dead. As investigators began to study the accident they made an eerie discovery and this discovery that they make often is the curiosity that all of us look for, you know when they find the little black flight recorder. The black box cockpit recorder revealed that several minutes before a fatal impact, (the plane ran right into the side of a mountain), several minutes before the fatal impact there was a shrill computer synthesized voice like you hear on the telephone sometimes, a computer voice. And the little voice said in English, “Pull up, pull up, pull up, pull up, pull up!”. Well it was a warning system, right? The pilot, (and the flight recorder had this on it), the pilot inexplicably snapped back, “Shut up Gringo . . . shut up Gringo!” and flipped off the warning voice . . . flipped the switch. Minutes later the plane smashed into the mountain and everybody was dead. That’s a parable of how people are treating their consciences today. “Shut up gringo!”
It was funnier the way Guy told it. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by UVGOD » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:52 pm

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Unread post by Grys Dweizelschidt » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:57 pm

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Unread post by Mauler » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:28 pm

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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by Ray W » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:53 pm

GL wrote:Was sent to me this morning - made my day -
The 747 Captain declared to his crew that the non-precision approach will be successful, or “we’ll die trying”, and they did. He famously told the GPWS to ‘Shut up, gringo.’
Brilliant - very funny =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by Tony van Vliet » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:14 am

GL wrote:Was sent to me this morning - made my day -
The 747 Captain declared to his crew that the non-precision approach will be successful, or “we’ll die trying”, and they did. He famously told the GPWS to ‘Shut up, gringo.’
RUBBISH!
After the first GPWS warning the C1 (captain) said "Bueno Bueno" which roughly translated means "Okay Okay"
After the second warning he said "Bueno" (Okay)
None of the aforemetioned claptrap
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by Mike Gough » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:10 pm

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/ ... 00368.html

Lets have a reference, Tony, and we'll remove it from our CRM.
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by dilligaf » Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:35 pm

"Learning to fly is easy.....it's learning when not to fly that's the hard part"
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by Tony van Vliet » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:14 pm

Thanks Dilligaf you saved me some homework!

Mike from a CRM point of view there is still a lot that can be learnt from "Ökay, Okay" ( and the other crew members acceptance of that) so I would not remove it from your sylabus!

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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by GL » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:13 pm

Talk about Franglish!
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Re: Shut up, gringo

Unread post by Mike Gough » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:05 pm

Thanks dilligaf.

Around 15 seconds of GPWS before anything done? Maybe a reflection of the trust in the systems of the day, but had the crew reacted properly, a very different outcome...

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