Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by GL » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:37 am

Anyone got a picture of it flying - or even seen it?
Where did it fly from - and with what engine?
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by micmaq » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:35 am

Cruise at 118 Knots is closer to the mark

There is a similar amphib aircraft that was type certified in Canada and the USA called the Tri-Gull - The type certificate , rights and the two pre-production airframes C-GATE and C-FTRI are owned by Viking Aircraft in Vancouver B.C. - Viking have put the project on the back burner for now while they are concentrating on producing the 400 Twin Otter

The Tri-Gull was first flown with the then revolutionary Continental Tiara engine but has now been replaced with the Continental 550 - Coincidentally I owned one of the few Tiara powered aircraft ever made , the aptly named Robin Tiara - I loved the engine which drove the propeller at 1/2 engine speed directly from the camshaft - It was a commercial nightmare for Continental and the line was closed down

The Tri-Gull like the Boeremeisie is also a four/six place aircraft , same wing span 42 ft.

Would love to see the Tri-Gull go into production one day ; the market targeted is the well healed recreational flyer
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by Bearcat » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:45 am

GL wrote:Anyone got a picture of it flying - or even seen it?
Where did it fly from - and with what engine?
I dont think its flown yet.
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by AEH » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:09 pm

I was very impressed with all the hard work that seems to have gone into the project over the last couple of months, its looking a lot more ready to fly. Having been involved in more than a few projects I have a keen idea of the effort. Well done Wolf and team. Looking forward to seeing her fly.
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by vectors » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:51 pm

a run in one of two magazines a few years ago about an aircraft that looked so much like the boeremeise, I think it was the " bumble bee!! I stand to be corrected, anyone have some pics To post. 8)
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Unread post by vectors » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:16 pm

8) 8) :lol: :lol: :lol Have a look at the RC 3 Seabed and check out the striking resemblance to the boeremeise local iam not to sure [-X [-X :twisted:
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Unread post by vectors » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:18 pm

Sorry big fingers, The RC SEABEE
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by Fat Frank » Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:26 pm

Not flying yet. Had a long chat with them on Fri, funding is and always will be the issue.

Said they are looking for certification in second half of 2017. Strengths to them.
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by Bearcat » Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:33 pm

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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by Peregrine » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:11 pm

Fat Frank wrote:Not flying yet. Had a long chat with them on Fri, funding is and always will be the issue.

Said they are looking for certification in second half of 2017. Strengths to them.
Add another good few years....
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by Heineman » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:20 pm

Ai die boere is slim :D a european thing made in africa
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by And » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:02 am

Hi Fat Frank,

"Said they are looking for certification in second half of 2017" is incorrect by some margin (I trust you spoke to a youngster at the stand and they get confused).

The unit on display is the Integration Test Rig (ITR) / proof of concept which is hand built. Once successfully flown and provided it gives the results we trust it will, this will flow into a production NTCA prototype (made with production tooling), commencing towards end 2017 / 2018. Thereafter NTCA and military versions will be manufactured in line with orders received etc.

Certification lies well beyond that if it is ever a viable.

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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by Peregrine » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:16 am

And wrote:Hi Fat Frank,

"Said they are looking for certification in second half of 2017" is incorrect by some margin (I trust you spoke to a youngster at the stand and they get confused).

The unit on display is the Integration Test Rig (ITR) / proof of concept which is hand built. Once successfully flown and provided it gives the results we trust it will, this will flow into a production NTCA prototype (made with production tooling), commencing towards end 2017 / 2018. Thereafter NTCA and military versions will be manufactured in line with orders received etc.

Certification lies well beyond that if it is ever a viable.

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Possibly the youngster was not properly briefed?

So the unit on display is the prototype intended for first flights and airworthiness tests etc? When is the first flight planned?

Big step missing between NTCA prototype and military versions - certification to military standards will take a huge effort.
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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by rainier » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:09 am

Peregrine wrote:
Big step missing between NTCA prototype and military versions - certification to military standards will take a huge effort.
If I may chime in here.
"Certification to military standards". What exactly is that ? How is it applied ?

Here is how this works:
If the military requires an item (does not matter what) and there are several vendors each and it is peacetime and no pressing need - the vendors will have to show compliance with applicable standards. But this works in strange ways - the military will choose what it wants, if it can regardless of standards.
If the military has a need and there is one solution - guess what - the standards get completely ignored or just loosely applied.
Standards, for all their good intentions, military or civil - can get in the way of progress by doing three undesirable things:
1) Add time (months to years) to achieve compliance
2) Add costs (mostly manpower) this can run into many millions (of Dollars) even for simple things
3) Force rejection of new, possibly improved technology or methods due to overly restrictive or badly written rules (some of these can be decades old and did not foresee the future)

I have some personal experience with this kind of thing - military and civil. It's not all what it seems...

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Re: Boeremeisie (C-Wolf) from Vliegmasjien (New SA Aircraft)

Unread post by rare bird » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:30 am

+1 Rainier's comment.
some standards / specs are also deliberately written to exclude a competitor. (seen that first hand!).
other specs are written by committee - what the committee can't agree on usually gets deleted - so you end up with half-baked nonsense!
some military specs are also not technically good (eg the one for land-mines - the spec was essentially that the blast should not kill/ totally incapacitate the subject, because the idea was that they should still be able to crawl home and de-motivate the "enemy")

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