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Re: FutureForesight - background

Unread post by tanglefoot » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:06 pm

Now here's something.

I couldn't find WIS (Weather Intelligence services) for love or money. I even thought it is an offshore scam. Here is an agreement between WIS and (I think) SAWS which gives the WIS company registration number. Once again CIPRO know NOTHING about this number. A Cipro search turns up:
No enterprises were found matching the name 200400549907.
The google link that I clicked on says:
[PDF] Copyright © 2008 SERVICE AGREEMENT ENTERED INTO AND BETWEEN Wea
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
(herein duly represented by Barry Gonin). (herein after referred to as “the Service Provider”). AND. THE CUSTOMER. (WHOSE particulars are stated in the ...
http://www.weathersa.co.za/web/Subscrip ... itions.pdf
Make of it what you wish:
Subscription_terms_and_conditions.pdf
Ok, guys. Here I have to eat humble pie. WIS does exist. more info to follow.
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Re: FutureForesight - background

Unread post by Rotor kop » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:12 pm

And so the plot thickens................. That should teach them for dissing "a pilot" :idea:
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Re: FutureForesight - background

Unread post by tanglefoot » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:14 pm

Seeing as I am compiling a comprehensive report on FF we mustn't forget to add the efforts of our very own "warbirdsfly" on avcom viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69854.

It's not that old and includes comments from Mr "play the ball" dilligaf.
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Re: FutureForesight - background

Unread post by tanglefoot » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:23 pm

Guess what,

The Directors of WIS are

Barry Gonin
Christopher Barker
Richard Tyrer

Now WHY couldn't they just say so in the first place :roll:

Now if WIS has the contract WHAT is the role of FF :?:
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Re: FutureForesight - background

Unread post by tanglefoot » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:48 am

Here is an American company http://www.planalytics.com/Content142.phtml that WIS seems to be modelled on. It is obviously a successful model but in the USA they steered clear of messing with aviation weather info. I wonder why :?:

On a lighter note. Maybe a bit freudian but here is the FutureForesight page on Facebook :wink: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cavan-Ire ... 8525821091
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Unread post by tanglefoot » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:30 am

From http://co.za the admin details for futureforesight.co.za
0a. lastupdate : 20/02/2007 20:33:48 SAST
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4a. admin : Chris Barker
4b. admintitle : Mr
4c. admincompany : Dealflow Investments
4d. adminpostaladdr : POBox 782371, Sandton, 2146
4e. adminphone : +27836258249
4f. adminfax : +27 21 970 2001
4g. adminemail : chris.barker@futureforesight.com
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Dealflow Investments is ALSO owned by Messrs Barker, Gonin and Tyrer. Interestingly, and I trust that Chris knows this, the company is in deregistration, if not then here is a heads up Chris!.
Enterprise Name DEALFLOW INVESTMENTS
Registration Date 25/04/2006
Business Start Date 25/04/2006
Enterprise Type Private Company
Status History 19/10/2010 In Deregistration CC/CO (A-List or B-list)

Current Enterprise Status Deregistration Process
Status Change Effective Date 19/10/2010
Previous Name ITAKANE TRADING 48
Date of last Name Change 6/22/2006
Standard Industrial Classification STRUCTURING AND BROKERING OF TRANSACTIONS FOR COMMISSION
I like the Standard Industrial Classification. In my language that would be called 'siphoning off cash' :roll: but I'm sure that is not what they intended.
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Re: FutureForesight - background

Unread post by tanglefoot » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:49 am

Ok, time for an editorial.

After two days (and about 4hrs) of internet research I can try to sum up my personal take of the main players.

1. I think Barry is the brains of the operation. He has the contacts and the experience to hold things together. He is also the accountant so he is probably responsible for the murderous company structure that I am trying to unravel (without any assistance, I might add).

2. I think Richard is the money. He provides the bridging finance for the various escapades.

3. I think Chris is the Gopher. He is the energy and public face of the organisation. (They probably decided to do that after Barry made a booboo by announcing that aviation weather would not be touched!) I would not be surprised if he started FF with the support of Barry long before Barry joined FF (After all, FF did do business with MTN while Barry was still there (2004))

I would guess that is about it for FF in terms of staff. They may well have resourced some of the active "project companies" but FF is kept squeeky clean and simple. It is impossible to find any link between future foresight on google and any of their "wildly successful" projects. If they did not link themselves to the SAWS project the name would never have come up. Try it yourself.

If I can find three companies you can bet there are 10. FF is at the top of the pile and is the face of the organisation. (It is called Future Foresight Group (Pty) Ltd)

I think that each "project" that they initiate is packaged into a different company (with no direct ownership by FF other than through the directors' limited liability) I believe that this is the "Risk Taking" that they refer to in their blurp. If the risk becomes excessive they shut down the "risky" company and not FF (Sounds like a helicopter company on another thread!)

The above is not an illegal business model in itself. It is self preservation in South African business. I'm just explaining how I think it works in this case.
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Unread post by Chris_WIS2 » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:50 pm

@tanglefoot; I wrote a very lengthy reply (yep, lengthier than this), listing our commercial/social business building achievements, and even explaining each of your derived assumptions on our business. However, after much reflection, the team (3 equal partner/owners, all native SA, and all registered with CIPRO thank you) decided this is exactly what we do not do; we DO build businesses for and with partners in socially responsible areas, that make a real difference to SA; we do NOT seek fame and glory for it. In fact, market awareness has, in the past, resulted in us receiving tons of unsolicited requests for help, many of which are very delicate to avoid (eg the business of a BEE liminary's son). It also undermines the cred of our partners, such as SAWS, and that's cred they actually want and need in most cases.

We've thus decided to do this instead; following is a brief list of our achievements in SA to date, each project stated crisply, with a focus on proving that we are all about sustainable social development, from the highest ethical and moral high ground you are likely to find in SA. If you wish to test matters further, I would be happy to do a dinner with you, at my expense, anywhere in JHB and we can chat about anything you want.

FutureForesight is the holding group of the businesses we have built in SA to date. Each business gets it's own company, primarily to allow for our partner (we always partner) to have an equity stake. Our businesses span a range of industries, although healthcare is probably our spike, with one thing in common; they are ALL about breaking new ground in a way that furthers SA in a substantive way. Here are a few things we have done since 2000 (yes, our CIPRO reg'n number is 2001/01):
  • Led the winning BBBEE bid for the SNO license, now Neotel. This bid was SAs very first BROAD BASED BEE, and as the largest BEE deal in SA to that date, it forced everyone to go BBB thereafter. That's meaningful.
  • Led MTN into Iran, a biz that is now larger for them than SA. The scale achieved here has been key to averting an international acquisition of MTN with consequent expropriation of SA consumer profits (economics 401 here so I'll not go into detail).
  • Took over an Aquarius Platinum mine for a year and turned them from R20m/m loss into substantive profits. AQP is a strongly black empowered team, and the first company in SA to test the new-age junior-mining model, with important SA benefits (such that they now manage reserves for neighbouring Anglo Plat who could not mine the same reserves profitably)
  • Right now we work with CSIR's disability unit (Mareka) and the Ministry of Disability; if our work flys it'll be all over the news...but I can't explain further as the announcement MUST be seen as someone else's credit.
  • We're also rolling out a cervical cancer (the next big epidemic in SA stemming from HIV survival) project for Government (yes, once again commercialising rather than nationalising). That's a cost-recovery model which will cost us about 2 years of our lives to implement.
  • On SAWS, since we started, 687,000 (today's 3-month UU count from Google Analytics) South Africans now get the weather reports vs under 100k on the site 2yrs ago. And they get way more info, in a digestible fashion too. A wealth of new products exist for mining, agri, construction, and several other industries (you don't see this 3D GE driven product set I'm afraid). We cover nearly every mining group in SA with a primary focus on lighting safety. The SAWS benefits now have a specific line item in every board agenda, and DEA's (nee DEAT) driving force is to reduce taxpayer input to SAWS, whilst removing ALL cross-subsidisation.
  • In total, we've built 22 businesses in SA. Only one (you may recall Quickies; 1-minute movies on SABC that ran for three years back in 2001) has failed: We were young and naive, and allowed the social objective (empowerment for the industry) to override the sustainability imperative - it's a lesson we carry with us every day and the reason we will not allow avcom intimidation to make us whimp out. Others need this to succeed.
  • Lastly, the subject of your cynicism; we pioneered EVERYTHING to do with HIV treatment in SA and currently run the largest treatment center on the planet, for which we get absolutely NOTHING monetary. Allow me to expand on this a little:
    • Right to Care (Google that, not FF) was founded by myself and Dr Ian Sanne, back in 2000. It is an NGO, non profit, and required that we go without income for 2 years, something I have repeated more than once since, incl this SAWS project.
    • RTC is now African's largest recipient of USAID funding, with the Nigerian Government a distant second
    • We employ 700 people directly, and 4000 through sub-NGO's which we screen, accredit, fund and manage (we are super-grantees in USAID terms). Key here is our management of huge US funds in an environment where a Boesak down the line is a Boesak for us. And that means jail time for everyone in the chain.
    • We have treated 1-in-4 of SA's HIV patients, and a crude calc done last year attributed us with over 560,000 man-years of life extension in SA alone (we do a lot in SADC too).
    • There are ancillary businesses related to this non-paying NGO work, I'll admit, and we're by no means struggling any more given these and the above successes:
      • We own SA's 5th largest pharmaceutical retail company, where we supply HIV drug to NGO's at cost (management fees cover the cost of a large team of BSc and MSc graduates) in order to bypass the price increases drug SEP legislation bought with it
      • All this started out as Africa's first ACTG-accredited clinical trials site, through which every HIV drug in SA was trialed (hence our expertise and access) in order to receive local registration.
      • Whilst this was going on, we became the only pharmacy in country able to import and distribute unregistered drug, a rather vital skill during the early days, but still in use today for leading-edge medication
      • We built one of SA's leading workplace treatment programmes, and now manage very large workforces such as Telkom.
      • In the early days, FF was unquestionably SA's leading HIV consulting team, and we single handedly influenced around 150 blue chip companies to fund the HIV treatment of their workforce (there's a complex cost/benefit analysis) incl Anglo American where we guided their medical director Dr Brian Brink, who has remained close to RTC ever since.
    • On your Mantu comment; we dispensed illegally for years, until the NIA paid us a brutal visit. We turned that into an ANC NWC (then under Pres Mandela) audience and secured unofficial permission to proceed. That probably gave us the cred that later bought USAID on board. That plus a similar initiative we did to secure access-priced HIV drug for NGO's - years prior to SEP and Minister Zuma's compulsory licensing.
    • I am no longer on the board of RTC, but rather sit as USAID's single member (representative). My Board consists of Dr Ali Bacher, Josina Machel (Graca's daughter), Dr Brian Brink (long time board member of Anglo), Allen Knott-Craig (snr, not jnr), and Dr Ian Sanne of course. RTC is widely regarded as one of Africa's most successful NGO's.
All this was done whilst we did the other 22 SA social-responsibility companies listed above, all in the last 10 years. Everything we do has a strong social imperative, even to a fault, yet our claim to fame is bringing true sustainability by understanding business, and most importantly knowing how to operate within the brutal constraints of donor funding and PFMA legislation. We are the polar opposite of nationalism. We are the antithesis of entitlement. Yet we are far from naked capitalism.

PS: On my gopher status; yes, when we build a business you will find me washing windows one day, and negotiating with the Minister the next week. You will find me selling to the CEO of Naspers in the morning, and answering the phone in the afternoon. You will find me dealign with an irate call from the mine manager of BHP's largest property, and programming a change to our alarms service that night. You will find me negotiating to help the Mozambique Met office in the morning, and writing this forum reply in the afternoon (that was today). And you will find both Barry and Richard doing all the same things; equal gophers, and rather proud of it.

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Re: FutureForesight - background

Unread post by Rotor kop » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:32 pm

Hmmm Chris interesting stuff :? Looks like you are a busy man :idea: I think this all started due to a remark you guys made about "pilots" on one of your sites :idea: :idea: Just goes to show that sometimes us "pilots" can put our backs up to "abuse" by ignorant people :twisted:

I would say TF should take up the dinner offer as long as i am on standby :wink: :wink: :D
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Unread post by tanglefoot » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:38 pm

Hi Chris,

Thank you for tackling my extended thread so concisely. I did editorialise somewhat and where I was inaccurate I apologise.

Thank you also for the dinner offer although I shall politely decline. It would probably be more appropriate to address gatherings of pilots and convince them of your good intentions. I trust that you will take up the offer that you received from an Avcommer. I will make an effort to be there!

I have also had enough digging on the internet and will leave matters there.

Two small issues remain however:
1. Why is FF/WIS doing a turnaround on Barry's undertaking to leave aviation weather alone?

2. If WIS was created to provide SAWS with an equity stake then why is it that only the three of you are directors?

Thanking you in advance,

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Unread post by tanglefoot » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:46 pm

Just to refresh:
Barry Gonin said:
This site will not replace the http://aviation.weathersa.co.za site, so all the aviation products that SAWS publishes will remain unaffected. This site is purely for the average man in the street.

Those products are of way too specialised a nature to be included here. We apologise for any information that has lead anybody to believe otherwise
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Unread post by tanglefoot » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:50 pm

Come on Chris_WIS,

Say after me.....

"YAP YAP"
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Unread post by tanglefoot » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:39 pm

It still amazes me how such a successful company can be so 'invisible' on the internet.

Type in ANY word you like and you get pages of relevant hits but type in "futureforesight"and you get just about nothing. You even get more hits typing in "cocain suppliers" :roll: but it is probably because cocaine suppliers are somewhat MORE successful than futureforesight :!:

If I was approached by a company I would check their credentials by doing a google search. I would think that all credible companies that deal on government level would have SOME google listings. Even reputable management consulting companies receive google hits.

Even my own miserable company gets the top spot on Google if you type in the exact name and select "SA Search" [-(

Why is Futureforesight invisible :?:
Who benefits :?:
Who loses :?:
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=D> :twisted: =D> =P~ :shock: :lol: =D> =D> =D>
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Re: FutureForesight - background

Unread post by tanglefoot » Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:02 pm

Just for the record.....................

Dealflow Investments was deregistered on 24 Feb 2011.

The futureforesight .co.za domain still shows Dealflow as the admin company.
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