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Re: Seen at Brits Airfield (FABS)

Unread post by heisan » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:11 am

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Naughty naughty... There's too much bow in the rope...

Nice picture none the less Bc
Yup - very nearly caught the antenna on top of the club house...
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Unread post by 117 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:33 am

Eish...

Not easy to correct/arrest a bow like that at low level
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Unread post by Bearcat » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:07 pm

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Naughty naughty... There's too much bow in the rope...

Nice picture none the less Bc
In a situation like that, I assume its the glider pilots responsibility to control his speed via speed brakes ... and communication with the tow plane ?
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Unread post by 117 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:58 pm

Me? Firstly I'd have no comms at that height unless i called for more speed.

Personally I'd transition to a high tow position ( gently) with a crack of the airbrakes to reduce the bow. This also gives the tow plane more chances of climbing away at low altitude. Too much high tow position and its game over for the drag artist.

Arresting the bow only by airbrakes at that altitude will pull the tug out the sky - think along these lines: he's climbing close to minimum numbers at this stage. If you upset the tow plane by doinking the tow rope out from under him it can lead to an unhappy situation. If the tow pilot has the situation in check his spare hand will be on the dump release in anticipation of the doink and sell you the rope before it happens.

There's no perfect answer, but this is probably what most will do.

Generally most glider guys start the tow in high tow position just after lift off. Once a safe altitude and climb rate has been established they'll move into a low tow position for the remainder of the flight. When ready to release, they go back to high tow for the rope drop.
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Unread post by Bearcat » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:19 pm

Ok .. being blunt.. the pic represents a less than ideal scenario... what went wrong ?
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Unread post by 117 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:06 pm

Tow pilot established positive climb rate too soon

But this is a best guess based on driving both sides of the rope.
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Re: Seen at Brits Airfield (FABS)

Unread post by heisan » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:13 pm

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Tow pilot established positive climb rate too soon

But this is a best guess based on driving both sides of the rope.
If this photo is the pass I saw, this was directly over the club house - nowhere near the climb pattern for the regular tugs. So either something went horribly wrong, or it was a display pass?
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Six swastikas that we can see, is that the owner?
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Six swastikas that we can see, is that the owner?
Thats the owner Rob McFie flying .. one of the nicest guys in SA aviation
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Re: Seen at Brits Airfield (FABS)

Unread post by avjhb » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:17 pm

Bearcat wrote:
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Six swastikas that we can see, is that the owner?
Thats the owner Rob McFie flying .. one of the nicest guys in SA aviation
I’m confused, 6 swastikas is quite a strong statement, represents a group of rascist fascists who killed more than 6m people and were hell bent on world domination?
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Re: Seen at Brits Airfield (FABS)

Unread post by Bearcat » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:23 pm

avjhb wrote:
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Six swastikas that we can see, is that the owner?
Thats the owner Rob McFie flying .. one of the nicest guys in SA aviation
I’m confused, 6 swastikas is quite a strong statement, represents a group of rascist fascists who killed more than 6m people and were hell bent on world domination?
Dont get to wound up .. those are kill markings commonly painted on WWII fighter aircraft. I seem to recall that Robs dad was involved in WW2 and the scheme is a tribute to him. His Titan Mustang was in a similar scheme.
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Re: Seen at Brits Airfield (FABS)

Unread post by avjhb » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:29 pm

Bearcat wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:23 pm
avjhb wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:17 pm
Bearcat wrote:
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Thats the owner Rob McFie flying .. one of the nicest guys in SA aviation
I’m confused, 6 swastikas is quite a strong statement, represents a group of rascist fascists who killed more than 6m people and were hell bent on world domination?
Dont get to wound up .. those are kill markings commonly painted on WWII fighter aircraft. I seem to recall that Robs dad was involved in WW2 and the scheme is a tribute to him. His Titan Mustang was in a similar scheme.
Fair enough, learn a new thing every day :)

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