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Unread post by photon » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:32 pm

Pic of a German registered Klemm Kl.32 visiting SA in the mid 1930's.
It was in this type of aircraft that the famous Australian aviatrix Maude "Lores" Bonney made her Brisbane to Cape Town flight in 1937.

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Unread post by photon » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:05 pm

A rare photograph of the third glider,named "Avis",designed and built by Sidney "Jack" Vine, one of the pioneers of early aviation in South Africa.
Sidney Vine came to SA in 1910 as the chauffeur and mechanic of the Rolls Royce car of the first Governor-General of the Union of South Africa.He began building his first flying machine(a biplane) in 1911 while he was living in the chauffeurs cottage at Government House in Bryntirion.He had insufficient funds to purchase an engine for the plane and converted into a glider.He tested it from Eastford Koppie behind Government House and made several successful flights.After he left the government service the glider was left at Government House and was later chopped up.
During WW I Vine joined the South African Aviation Corps and was active in South west Africa. After the war he moved to the West Rand and set up a garage, later he became a farmer and opened an engineering works.
Vine had not forgotten his dream of flying and ,by 1930, he and a friend,who was a maths teacher at Krugersdorp,started to design gliders.
In 1930 he built his first glider named "Flip". It was a simple A-frame type structure and using it he taught himself to fly.
In 1931 he built a more advanced glider and made several successful flights. His second glider was destroyed by a whirlwind.
Undeterred, he built a third glider named "Avis". This glider was designed as a soaring glider and Vine made his first flight in it along the Muldersdrift ridge in 1935 ; the flight lasted 17 minutes. A few month later the glider achieved a flight endurance of 35 minutes.Sadly "Avis" was later destroyed in a crash.
Sidney Vine and his friend, the maths teacher, went on to design and build a series of light single seat powered aircraft named "Altis".
Three types of Altis were designed (V1,V2 and V3), only one of each type was built.
After WW II Sidney Vine developed a two seat powered aircraft but this venture was not successful.
Sidney "Jack" Vine died in November 1964 at the age of 76.

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Unread post by photon » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:15 pm

Some examples of air-to-air photography in the mid 1930's
The aircraft are De Havilland DH.60G Gypsy Moths ZS-ACN, ZS-AEM and ZS-ACM.
I wonder what type of camera's were used for air-to-air in those days.
The original photos are all contact prints from 6x9 negatives , so the cameras must have been quite bulky and not too easy to handle from a windy open cockpit.

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Unread post by photon » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:37 pm

Waco Standard Cabin Biplane , unfortunately can't see a registration on this one.

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Unread post by photon » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:55 pm

here's one for the fans of model aeroplanes.
A beautifully crafted model (with a toy cat in the rear cockpit) of RAF Fairey IIID serial "S1104" with two "real" DH.60 Gypsy Moths in the background.
The original Fairey IIID "S1104" was one of the aircraft that made the first RAF trans-Africa flight from Cairo to Cape Town in March 1926.
It is magnificently illustrated in the late Ron Bellings painting as shown on the cover of John Illsley's book "In Southern Skies".

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Unread post by photon » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:40 pm

Two aerial photographs of Rand Airport taken in august 1938.
There are quite a few interesting aircraft visible in these pics.
In front of the hangars are five of SAA's Junkers Ju86Z7's and the Junkers Ju86K3 bomber ZS-ANI in camouflage.
Also visible is SAA's Junkers Ju52/3m ZS-ALS.
A number of smaller type aircraft are lined up as well.
They include a Junkers F-13, a De Havilland DH9, a De Havilland DH89 Dragon Rapide, two Buckers Bu131 Jungmanns and a De Havilland DH82 Tiger Moth.
Rand Airports famous clock is also nicely visible in the second pic.

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Unread post by Ray W » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:20 am

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Waco Standard Cabin Biplane , unfortunately can't see a registration on this one.

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I'm pretty sure this one is ZS-ADZ which was imported in 1932 and then sold to Kenya April 1935 and ended her days in Ethiopia.
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Unread post by photon » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:34 pm

Thanks for that info, Ray
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Stinson SR5 ZS-AEX

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Beechcraft Model 17 Staggerwing ZS-BBC

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Unread post by photon » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:46 pm

Beechcraft Model 17 Staggerwing ZS-BBC
The Beech Staggerwing must have been one of the first type of general aviation aircraft in SA equipped with a retractable undercarriage.
Maybe the pilots of the day were not used to lower the gear when landing :)

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Unread post by Ray W » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:08 am

Not sure which ZS-BBC this one is because there were two Beech 17s registered ZS-BBC. Both were used by the Danish ambassador Otto Thanning

ZS-BBC c/n 18 which was written off in Sept 1936 - no details as to where but could have been at Luanda

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ZS-BBC c/n 124 which was registered here in January 1937 and cancelled in January 1939 when she was flown from Cape Town to Copenhagen where she was sold to the Finnish government and become OH-BCI and then Finnish air force BC-1. She survived the war and OH-PKA in 1945. She was written off at Halli, Finland 03/12/1947
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Unread post by V5 - LEO » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:56 pm

.....wish I could have lived in that era and owned a B17 staggerwing, understood they were but a handfull, but man, do they look suave. My ride at times up here C182 RG - also a BBC :D
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Unread post by photon » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:23 pm

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Not sure which ZS-BBC this one is because there were two Beech 17s registered ZS-BBC. Both were used by the Danish ambassador Otto Thanning

ZS-BBC c/n 18 which was written off in Sept 1936 - no details as to where but could have been at Luanda

and

ZS-BBC c/n 124 which was registered here in January 1937 and cancelled in January 1939 when she was flown from Cape Town to Copenhagen where she was sold to the Finnish government and become OH-BCI and then Finnish air force BC-1. She survived the war and OH-PKA in 1945. She was written off at Halli, Finland 03/12/1947
The pics are most probably of the second ZS-BBC ; from the other pics in the album sequence I guess that the pic of BBC was taken in 1937.
The first BBC was wrecked in Luanda during an attempted flight to London, the radial engine was salvaged and fitted in the second BBC.
Otto Thaning was also the representative of the Swiss energy company Brown Boveri & Cie , hence the registration of the plane as ZS-BBC.
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Unread post by photon » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:52 pm

De Havilland DH60G Gipsy Moth ZS-ACO parked in a tree .

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