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Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by tbone » Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:47 am

Where do you draw the line between commercial and private sales?

I am trying to sell my demo Yak airframe,because I want a Sbach, in the ad I stated the age, a crash, with pictures of the repair... and subsequently got reported to the mod's for not keeping with the rules. [-X

Does my Yak constitute a private or commercial sale? keeping in mind that my business did not pay for it, we pay for our own demo planes, albeit at cost price.

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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by clivem » Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:17 am

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i think its easy for the mods to see the difference
A dealer who repeatedley advertises stuff for sale could be questioned
if its your private stuff and you only advertise once in a while like any other guy on avcom - then its private

especially when guys know you have flown something for some time, it even has repairs and is not new, its not like your turning over demo planes every month :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by Jay-Jay Jordaan » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:49 am

I agree that it would qualify as private. Commercial ( abused) sales is going to kill this thread.
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by blender » Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:04 am

Without a doubt a private sale, what are chances you were reported by a "bandit dealer".
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by Dobo » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:08 pm

I think this is a fair add, and I appreciate your honesty with the history of the plane. - Definately a private add :D :D
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by farmer@thepub.co.za » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:23 pm

Hey Bone watch out for the bandits out there - I have just experienced and had a heads up warning - there are the fools out there that want to dominate this forum, we should weed them out cause they are only going to f&ck and meddle up the forum for us.... be bad and dominate.... OOOOi here I go again...... =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by tanglefoot » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:52 pm

If you make a living out of RC you can't make a 'private' sale. Just my opinion. Just like Malema rigging contracts for his construction business. It is called 'conflict of interest'.
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by KeithW » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:27 am

Hi There

Its simple in my mind... Knife Edge Spin is already paying for a commercial listing on Avcom so it's not as though you are trying to go cheapie by selling stuff on the private forum...

Like you said, everyone can see that model is second hand, the price is really good and I have no issue with it being where it is.

Where I do have a problem is where some individuals continually sell "new-in-box" items. I keep writing to the moderators saying "how manyt new items can one private individual have?"

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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by bluesmancoops » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:24 am

The problem comes with dealers that deal in 2nd hand goods, traded in planes for new ones. This is then actualy dealers "stock" so how does one monitor which is "dealers stock" and which is "dealers private". Also are the dealers not placing their "private" stock in their shops for sale???? This then surely is considdered "dealer stock"

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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by tanglefoot » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:35 am

KeithW wrote:Its simple in my mind... Knife Edge Spin is already paying for a commercial listing on Avcom so it's not as though you are trying to go cheapie by selling stuff on the private forum...
To protect the commercial interests there should be no doubt that the people on the private thread are doing private deals.

Stuff on the commercial threads is not as visible as stuff on the private sale thread. Maybe the commercial guys should be allowed to post a link (just a link with a heading using their 'black' usernames) to their thread when they want to sell something? You can then decide to click through, or not.

I think that it is great for the RC community to have the private swap shop on Avcom and we need to dream up whatever rules are required to keep it alive. (and to keep the people that have paid to be on Avcom happy)
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by Roger » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:05 am

As I have responded to a few individuals over the last few days:
There is absolutely no way for us to tell the difference between when it is personal or linked to your business. Some dealers were flying an aircraft once and then calling it personal.

If anyone can come up with a method that can be applied - we are all ears. But it would have to be simple and apply across the board.
There are also dealers that are very actively involved with trade ins and second hand good restoration.

IMHO if you are a dealer - there is no such thing as a private deal. It will link back to your business at some point.
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by clivem » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:51 pm

tanglefoot wrote: Stuff on the commercial threads is not as visible as stuff on the private sale thread. Maybe the commercial guys should be allowed to post a link (just a link with a heading using their 'black' usernames) to their thread when they want to sell something? You can then decide to click through, or not.

I think that it is great for the RC community to have the private swap shop on Avcom and we need to dream up whatever rules are required to keep it alive. (and to keep the people that have paid to be on Avcom happy)
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i think this is a great idea from tanglefoot, paid up commercial guys can post a heading only, along with a link to their respective commercial section. this will help to drive traffic through the commercial sections more. its simple too. anyone who constantly posts NIB items should pay their dues then too and have a commercial section.
I too am a dealer but would hate to see the private classifieds go - its a great service to all.....
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by tbone » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:05 pm

Believe it or not, my ad got locked out for being too commercial, 40 flights and a prang later.....

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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by Dobo » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:30 pm

Bone, with 40 flights, you qualify for a commercial licence :lol: :lol:

From my perspective, I just want to know whether I am buying an item off the owner, and previous user, or I am buying an item that someone has bought, and is re-selling. If the price is right, this may seem academic, but I like to buys goods off people I trust, and know that they have looked after them.

I like the idea of the dealers being able to post a link to their section. The dealers will also get more hits on their sections, to view other stuff.
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Re: Commercial or Private sale?

Unread post by tanglefoot » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:07 pm

I agree with Skybound.

You can't choose to be a dealer now and a private seller later. You're either a dealer or a private seller. PICK ONE :!: Can't be THAT difficult :evil:

I suggest that Skybound just decides who he thinks are 'dealers'. Make the rules and lets move on. One warning and you're out, of Avcom if necessary!
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