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I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:49 pm

Once again the moderators deleted a post which is open and honest, factual. Goes to show the depth of the power pool that run Avcom. Everything is Reported and will be followed up upon with relentless pursuit, it’s a shame that a Pilot cannot talk about a vile experience incurred at the hands of a corrupt AME.

It’s shameful that the Moderator will not allow real and meaningful interaction on this topic. Anti Semitic sentiment in Grounding a Pilot is absolutely unthinkable.... well not in this community. We hide it away.

Prove any statement I’ve made as incorrect if you can, but don’t hide.

Surely?


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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Whirly » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:03 pm

Felix,

It all changed when you named the Doctor. He has not been found guilty of any wrong doing, so the rule of "innocent until proven guilty" must apply. You would be free to state your side of the story and ask for assistance here. I wanted to know how he came to his conclusions? What triggered it? :?

Write your story again but refrain from naming the Doctor.

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:04 pm

I resigned from my ex employer who I will not name either to honor a protection Order filed against me for an earlier Post about this very issue.

I resigned to take an opportunity to fly in Indonesia and to get command on Let 410. Following my resignation I served three months notice, flew one more tour of the Central African Republic. At the end of August 2017 I completed a 2 year contract at the company, and owed no money on a 7000 usd training bond. The company was a sponsor of the Children’s Flight Event, which in Sept 2017 was a success, and the company very strangely offered me an IR Renewal. (Not a standard thing to offer a pilot who had resigned for being unhappy by the treatment of a certain member of the management)

The IR Renewal was passed, and at the time I was very grateful to have been offered it. Subsequent to the Simulator session, I discovered that my best mate was seeing my ex lover, it was Something that really troubled me, two weeks after this I broke ties with my best friend, had a big night out and drank a lot of beer. The next morning I went to write a TCAS exam (18 Questions) at the ex employers office, but was feeling under the weather, emotional about my 22 year friendship with my best mate now over.

I told the whole story to the management, and a vehicle was arranged and I was driven to see my AME under the alias of ‘genuine concern for me’. The HR lady spent 45 minutes in the doctors office without me present, I trusted her implicitly as we had just pulled off the Children’s Flight Event. Only when I saw what the Doctor wrote on his report 5 months later, did I realize that the ex-employer had supplied incorrect information about my tenure at the company, namely:

1. A failed command test (which in actual fact did not happen- there is no evidence of a PICUS program or any test for Commandership in the 24 months served at the company, however there is evidence of the intention to upgrade me by the previous management that went out of office in late 2016.

2. Resignation as a result of this fictitious command test. When in reality I had resigned and served 3 months notice as per my contractual obligation.

3. That I had ‘begged for my job back’ when in fact I had already signed a contract in Indonesia and did not need my job back.

Following the conversation of this HR lady with the Doctor he, informed me of this theory he had that I am Hypermanic, and he sent me for tests with his closely associated Specialist Colleagues, Who wrote damning reports (only obtained 5 months after the consultations and 3 months after official notification of the grounding from the AVMED department- and only via the force of two lawyers letters) about my mental state, but did not give me any feed back. His Whatts app arrived on the 25th of September 2017, while I was flying with Menno at 0825 Bravo, it had a ME109 with a Swastika on the tail, and stated that I was grounded with instructions to see his Psychiatrist colleague. His Psychiatrist colleague made a neutral report after the first consultation and 39 days later changed to a full blown Bi Polar Two Diagnosis without consulting with me a second time, without providing treatment after. The Clinical Psychologist he referred me to stated in his report that I had never held command in my fairly long flying career, yet if anyone looks in my logbooks from the last IR Renewal, it is evident that my P1 column exceeds 5400 hours.

The Clinical Psychologist threw a fair portion of the DSM-5 manual at me in his cocktail descriptions of my so called warped personality. He told me in the session that my career is over. He pledged his final report on the 20th of October 2017 but did not provide the report then, in fact I had to pluck up the courage to go to Dr Mashaphu in Midrand and ask her if I was grounded, which she then confirmed I was not.

I then departed to Indonesia on the 29th of October 2017 and started my validation process there. On the 16th of November 2017 the Clinical Psychologist sent me a bill for R6875 with no report attached. I took exception to this treatment in a string email denouncing his treatment of me, to which he stated that my reaction caused him to doubt my fitness to fly rather than to support it. It was highly manipulative, he was late to supply a report and had made no contact to extend the period from when he’d agreed to have the report ready, and all while I was unable to make a living in my career vocation.

Within hours of my email argument with the Clinical Psychologist, the AME in question emailed to say he suddenly ‘had all the reports’ and needed to see me urgently. I informed him however that I was already in Indonesia and that a meeting would not be possible.

A few days later I was pulled out my room and mysteriously questioned by the Head Of Training at my new company about my mental state, and three pilots whom I’d flown with in Africa also messaged me out of concern as management had been asking them about my mental state. They were no doubt being relayed information from the ex-employer based on the details they revealed in the various meetings I had with them.

On the 9th of December after having flown 4 sectors on L410 with newly rated but veteran pilots in the new company, who were rather openly put off by the notion that I had arrived for a direct entry command position, and on a different island, a small misunderstanding with the crew over an aspect regarding refueling lead to the crew reporting me as crazy. I was flown to Jakarta and forced to resign. The information in the disciplinary pertained to a sim check done at the previous employer, and I had no doubt then about who was feeding the new management this erroneous information about me.

I flew back to South Africa, and on arrival went straight to a new company to hand in my CV. I went through interview and Psychometrics and passed... was scheduled for sim check on the 21st of December 2017 but received the notification from SACAA that I was grounded with a ‘Mood Disorder’. The new company allowed me to continue my application despite losing my medical, and I have served as ground crew throughout the last 10 months with no issues while appealing this grounding.

The AME’s doctor reports that he stated he had in his possession on the 17th of November only were made available to me between the 9th and 15th of March 2018 after two lawyers letters. The AME had backdated his report which is dated 18th October 2017, but yet he quotes the specialist verbatim when the specialist report is dated 25th October 2017, he also stated I was in Indonesia on 18th October 2017 when my ticket details prove that I left on the 29th of October 2017.

The doctor submitted his paperwork to Ground me nearly three months after the Swastika Whatts App contravening CAR 67.00.14 (4), and is likely the reason he has provided dishonest chronology in the submission of his report, a factually flawed report used by the SACAA to Ground a Career Pilot, and supported by two specialists who are colleagues and not independent, who contravened fundamental medical procedures and mandatory parameters of truth and regular sequence in a ‘constructed diagnosis’, as proven by the countering medical reports from the Appeal specialists.

Later on in the Appeal, the Director asked me to sit Psychometric tests, which I did and passed. The AvMed department then sought a report from the SAAF from 2005 which would be factored in to their decision, however the person writing that report was in fact a long time colleague of the AME in question.

The AME who sent the Swastika to Ground me is the President Of A Prestigeous Aviation Medical Committee, and the Clinical Psychologist sits on his board. It is therefore very difficult to get justice in this scenario.

I hope this answers a few of your questions.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:53 pm

It’s shameful that the Moderator will not allow real and meaningful interaction on this topic. Anti Semitic sentiment in Grounding a Pilot is absolutely unthinkable.... well not in this community. We hide it away.
This is a cheap shot at the very forum which is giving you a platfom to vent on.
FYI 1 of the Mods is a Jewish Gent and we ALL are sensitive to other faiths & beliefs. So maybe you should rethink your rant [-X [-X
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by skyvan » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:12 pm

Felix, I feel for you, I really do, but you are doing yourself no favours with these internet outbursts. Even if you got your medical back tomorrow, I doubt that anyone reading your rants (true as they are to you) would be likely to look favourably at a job application from you.
As you have been advised on both this forum and another one that I frequent (where you laid bare your soul), I would strongly recommend you delete these threads, deal with the problem and the appeal with the maturity expected of a professional pilot, and move on from there.
Besides, coming onto a primarily social flying forum to complain about losing your professional licence, while gathering a certain amount of sympathy, will garner little or no practical assistance.
You are venting because you are frustrated, and are feeling victimized. Please get your emotions in check, as you are merely providing fuel for those who believe the doctors opinions of you.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:22 pm

Ugly Duckling,

I wasn’t given the dignity of political correctness when I was grounded. So maybe you can allow a man to have his say, without deleting everything just because you don’t agree.

Skyvan

I think I’ve stated my situation quite articulately and discussed a real life scenario, a witness account of what happened. If you believe I am lying then please do present the evidence to counter what I have stated. Do we not discuss things like men? Or do we key board box behind our alias?

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by cage » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:30 pm

Felix Gosher wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:22 pm
I think I’ve stated my situation quite articulately
Therein lies the problem.
I think many can grasp your frustration but the tome above is not articulate - it is rambling, lacking structure and full of emotion.
No one will read that and come to any other conclusion but "where there is smoke there's fire" as it does not create the image you are hoping for.
The internet is not the place for this, it may make you feel better to get it out, but it will be short-lived and counter-productive to your objective.
As suggested above, please reconsider what you are doing here.
Good luck and I hope you get the result you seek.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by skyvan » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:31 pm

Ah Felix, I haven't said that you are lying, and I am not keyboard boxing with you, quite the contrary.
I know that you feel you have a case, and I am merely trying to give you some advise. I have been in Aviation, as in flying professionally, for over 30 years. I know you want this sorted out as soon as possible, and you would like to see justice being done, this is understandable, but going about it the way you are, is like shooting yourself in the foot, then blaming a distant sniper for the shot.
But since you obviously won't heed any advise offered that does not align with your viewpoint, I shall bow out, and leave you to your fate.
I hope it all works out for you.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:42 pm

I replied to Whirly according to his question. I have stated my facts, none of you have provided anything to the contrary to what I have said, you’ve merely denounced the manner and platform in which I have chosen to speak out, this is an Aviation Medical forum, so so be it. My point is this happens in Aviation and it really shouldn’t.

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Jel » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:29 am

Felix just a few things and this may help or may make it worse...

I believe Bipolar is diagnosed with basically two aspects (and the details of BP 1 or 2 I am not certain of) - I am not a Dr so may be wrong... I seem to recall (and not me was a family member)...

1. Manic episode
2. History of depression

If you tick the above then you are automatically classified as Bi-Polar, whether you like it or not.. again I am not a Dr so this is what I recall... so may not be exactly wrong!

My complaint with psychiatrists I have encountered is that they are not counsellors, and they tend to prescribe and diagnose usually in a very short space of time (anything from 15 mins to an hour most often)... and when a family member of mine was sent to a Psychiatrist her Psychologist had a really big problem with the diagnosis... the Psychologist had been seeing her for two years and in the space of 20mins the Psychiatrist diagnosed and prescribed a cocktail of drugs... after being on 5 different tablets, two years later, the Psychlogist and another Psychiatrist have been re-looking at her case and now she is now on the lowest dose available of an anti depressant and operating well :!:

It seems your diagnosis started the main problem and I would question if I were you the fact that your employer went to see the Dr who diagnosed you, however the main aspect for me is...

You need to go into your history, you also need to go back to this diagnosis and see if you can have it relooked at in addition to getting second opinions if at all possible this late stage... I believe it is difficult to get overturned once done but I cant see why this is not possible as if it was an incorrect diagnosis are sometimes made.

Deal with that aspect first as this is where the problem lies... the company you worked for and HR are all side aspects... they are not important primarily...

One thing however.... REGARDLESS of whether you believe you are or are not Bi-Polar... STAY ON YOUR MEDS.... it cannot do much harm staying on them even if you are not but can do a lot of harm coming off them if you are.

Do not mess around with this... the biggest problem with Bi_polar is people coming off meds... many people live long and productive lives being Bi_Polar so its honestly not a big deal and there is life outside of flying.... stay on meds and work on getting it re-looked at... best advice I can offer... cant do any harm.

Fighting a diagnosis on Avcom is not going to get it taken away :!:
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by happyskipper » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:56 am

Jel - a very well thought-out post, and delivered in a kindly and thoughtful manner.
The problem that Felix has is not so much surrounding his medical situation, which HAS been debunked by a couple of Doctors... but the manner in which his ex-employer went about obtaining his grounding order, coupled with the whole Swastika - Jewish issue.
I have no doubt that Felix scares a lot of people, when it comes to aviation - he is super passionate about flying, has an excellent safety record, and has flown many types, and in different scenarios - for a person to be labelled bi-polar or whatever, based on a single episode after a very traumatic event, is very suspect.
Having lived with/amongst pilots as a kid, grown up around airline/air force pilots, and working closely with them in both the air force and airlines, I can tell you that if the same measuring tool that was applied to Felix was applied to ALL pilots, we would have very few, if any, pilots in the world.
Pilots tend to be High D personality types, with big egos and outgoing personalities. If every one of us was judged by a single outburst, drunken episode or rant - well, that would be it.

Felix - I see in you the young man I once was, and I can promise you that it does get better, and you will succeed, you just need to lay low, become "just another number" in the great sphere of things.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Jel » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:41 am

happyskipper wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:56 am
The problem that Felix has is not so much surrounding his medical situation, which HAS been debunked by a couple of Doctors... but the manner in which his ex-employer went about obtaining his grounding order, coupled with the whole Swastika - Jewish issue.
I have no doubt that Felix scares a lot of people, when it comes to aviation - he is super passionate about flying, has an excellent safety record, and has flown many types, and in different scenarios - for a person to be labelled bi-polar or whatever, based on a single episode after a very traumatic event, is very suspect.
I researched this in depth due to my family member and I have been advised that technically EVERYONE is potentially able to have a "hypermanic" phase / attack it just depends on the level of stress. I for one do not like Psychiatrists... just putting it out there... :wink:

Fact is that it "seems to me" that Felix is under a lot of stress which makes people do and say things that perhaps are not in "usual character"... I understand that he has made some "slants" which are obviously not right, I also think that society needs to be a little more understanding of the stress levels. Kind of like putting someone in jail for swearing and using a racial slur... yes we need to draw a line but as a society we also need to be a little more understanding of "psychological issues"... just because someone is not walking on crutches doesn't mean that they are not in pain or injured.

Felix please mate, do not deal with this without getting the stress under control. The hole becomes bigger and it becomes more difficult to get out of.

See a clinical Psychologist who works with a Psychiatrist... get a totally new opinion and armed with it, deal with the issue systematically and one step at a time. If they recommend tablets, take them... nothing to lose... pull back on this. I just see someone getting more and more alienated by the Avcom rants, and you might look back one day and regret them, but by then its a little too late.

I think there are many here who feel your pain but they will become less and less the more you go on lashing out at groups of people.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:49 am

Jel,

You see that’s where this gets more interesting. I wasn’t given the dignity of ‘treatment’ that I supposedly needed. I am not currently on meds and never was. The doctors diagnosed to have me grounded, and then it took 5 months and two lawyer’s letters to find out why.

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Jel » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:56 am

Then go see a Dr / many Dr's, get an opinion / assessment and get the grounding rescinded. Work on that :!: You have been diagnosed, and while you may or may not agree with it, its there. The posting here is not being read by Dr's and if it is, they are not going to put their necks on the line and give you an opinion. There is a system and while you may not agree with it, you need to work with it otherwise simply put you are going to be in limbo indefinitely, and any "third force" working against you is simply going to use all this stuff against you, time and time again.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:06 am

Jel,

I have been cleared of Mental Illness by Dr Merryll Vorster a senior Professor at the University of Witwatersrand in the field of Psychiatry, and a key witness in the Oscar Pistorius trial.

I have also been cleared by Clinical Psychologist Dr Pieter Marais who ran every Psychometric test prescribed by the Director over an assessment that lasted two days. He produced a 43 page report clearing me of what the initial doctors had diagnosed.

My pilot mates, friends and family raised the money for me to have this done. I owe them my career.

There should never have been a Swastika involved, CAR 67.00.14 (4) needed to be complied with, the reports should not have taken five months to obtain with two lawyers letters to motivate, the reports should not have contained such critically incorrect information supplied by an ex employer... for this notion to hold water.

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