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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:12 pm

Kalon,

The Swastika is a highly offensive symbol to the Jewish People. It had no place on a notification to Ground a Pilot Of that culture.

If you were say from the Afrikaans culture and you were sent an EFF symbol and told that you were grounded, how would you perceive this ?

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:18 pm

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Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:48 pm
Ugly Duckling,

More specifically it was a Witbank Breakfast Fly In, on the way back after breakfast, many of the pilots positioned to Kitty Hawk. It was there that we in fact all shared a table in front of the Dornier. The Doctor’s nose started bleeding while we sipped on Coca Cola served by Ali Cat. I have a friend who will confirm that you were there, and in fact that you do know the Doctor in question despite your denial above.
For the record. Rodney collected me from Brakpan Benoni, we flew to Brobkies Dam, met the other Dornier over Rhino Park and then went to Kitty Hawk. At no stage did we go to Witbank as you allege.
I was introduced to the Doc by Rodney and he joined our table. Does that mean I know him? Certainly not.
You are taking your imagination and paranoia to new heights.

So now it makes sense why I was excluded form the Childrens Flight 2018 at FAGC.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by boaxofclean » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:18 pm

Suspension or cancellation of medical certificate

67.00.14 (1) A medical assessor designated in terms of regulation 67.00.1 (2) may suspend a medical certificate if there is a reasonable suspicion that the holder of the medical certificate does not comply with the requirements prescribed in regulation 67.00.9.

(2) The medical assessor may require the holder of a medical certificate whose certificate has been suspended in terms of this regulation, to undergo medical examination at the holder’s expense, at a medical specialist chosen by the medical assessor.

(3) A notice of the suspension of medical certificate contemplated in sub-regulation (1) must be given in writing, stating the reasons for the suspension.

(4) Notwithstanding sub-regulation (3), the medical assessor may notify the holder of the medical certificate of the suspension otherwise than in writing: Provided that a written notification of such suspension is submitted to the holder immediately thereafter.

(5) A person whose medical certificate is suspended in terms of sub-regulation (1) may appeal to the Director against the suspension within 14 days from the date of the suspension.

(6) The provisions of regulation 185.00.6 apply, with the necessary changes, with regard to the appeal contemplated in sub-regulation (5).

(7) The holder of a medical certificate who succeeds in an appeal against the suspension shall be refunded the expenses referred to in sub-regulation (2).
I will leave this here for all to see.

According to you the Dr notified you? Well that is what the regulation says?

No regulation as to what defines written notification.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Kalon » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:20 pm

Felix Gosher wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:12 pm
The Swastika is a highly offensive symbol to the Jewish People. It had no place on a notification to Ground a Pilot Of that culture.
I understand it is.
However, nothing you have said hints that it was sent to highlight the Swastika.
An aviation doctor sent his passionate aviation enthusiast, who has been a client of his for 12 years, a picture of an aeroplane. It just happened to have a Swastika on it.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:22 pm

Felix Gosher wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:12 pm
Kalon,

The Swastika is a highly offensive symbol to the Jewish People. It had no place on a notification to Ground a Pilot Of that culture.

If you were say from the Afrikaans culture and you were sent an EFF symbol and told that you were grounded, how would you perceive this ?

Warm Regards

Felix
For the record the emblem on the aircraft is the German Cross of the Luftwaffe and the secondary symbol is the Swastika on the vertical stab.
Do you have an averse reaction to the 2 Dorniers as they too carry the same German Cross as in the Doc's picture??
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Wonko the Sane » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:28 pm

enough already Fo Fa Sakes!!!!!

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My flying is not that bad....I've never left one up there..

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by boaxofclean » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:29 pm

I phoned the Institute of Aviation Medicine on thursday, and left a message for the Doctor, he phoned me back on Friday, to ask what i had phoned about, i said i was just checking if i am still in the green for my medical results.... he said he'd check.... asked my name, Felix French Gosher, he asked whether i was going for military or civil aviation, 'Military' I said he checked and out of the blue... he said im unfit, i asked why.... apparently im psychologically unfit to fly.... Im feeling so lost from my dreams now.... this is not the end though, ill go for therapy if i have to. I want to fly for my country.

Felix French Gosher
http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewt ... ?f=2&t=123

Looks like this problem has been around for a while #-o
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:35 pm

Ugly Duckling

The Kitty Hawk leg of the Witbank Fly In, is where I saw you sharing a table with the Doctor in question, my apologies for the technical error in the discription. You most definitely knew who he is, as did he know who you are, and you enjoyed each other’s company, so I can only reason you to be friends or friendly acquaintances. The symbol on the tail is in fact the Swastika and not the German Cross.

On the 26th of June 2018 I invited you to a meeting for the Childen’s Flight, you did not in fact reply. I had every intention of involving Who ever could help.
There is no hard feelings, im standing up for principle here.

Boaxofclean

You are quite correct he did notify me and afterwards did not make it the knowledge of the Authority. After not being able to fly for a month, I went to Dr Bernice Mashaphu and found out that I had in fact not been grounded, and was listed as ‘fit to fly’ on the AMI database. Therefore the Doctor grounded me in his personal capacity, contravening the CAR 67.00.14 (4)

The Authority must be notified immediately, to issue the notification in writing ‘immediately’. It is a test of conviction.

Kalon

Why wasn’t it an F16 with the Star Of David on it? that would have been more uplifting to the client he was dealing with.
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:38 pm

Boxofclean

Yes the problem has been going on a while, but incidentally with the same Doctor as referenced in your post.

The only difference between 2005 and now, is 6800 Flying Hours.

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by boaxofclean » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:43 pm

Hours mean nothing if your head is messed up and you have the wrong attitude.

I must just ask, if this doctor stopped your SAAF career, why for 12 years did you go back?
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:29 pm

Boxofclean,

I held a lot of respect for the Doctor in question despite having not made it at the SAAF through his office. That respect lasted, until I got the Whatts app Swastika with the Grounding, and the erroneous reports about me that followed.

True hours do mean nothing if your head is messed up ... but what is the likelihood of attaining that many hours in 12 years if your head is messed up ?
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by RGB » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:08 pm

Hi Felix

We have met briefly a few times over the last few years and you have admirable traits from what I have heard about you! What you are missing here is that everyone on this forum is giving you sound advice ......this is not the right way to do it and is showing you in a bad light!! If as you say you are passionate about flying and that is what is important then .....just go fly! keep your head down so people do not attach labels to you. If you have your medical back then this is all mute and void......go fly aeroplanes and enjoy the rest of your career. Fighting this for the sake of being right will only show off a bad trait.

Slating the doctor (who also has spent decades getting his career to where it is now)will not help your cause!It feels like you take the posts too personally instead of seeing what people with years and years of experience (both life and aviation)are trying to say......let it go!!! go get your medical if you can and fly aeroplanes if that is what you really want.

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Felix Gosher » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:37 pm

RGB,

I appreciate the kind words, I have been grounded for a year on incorrect information. This is the Aviation Medical Forum, I am stating my case factually. I will fly again, and hopefully another pilot somewhere out there will benefit from being mindful of the possibility of something like this happening to them.

Had this Doctor followed lawful procedure, And not made this personal, I surely would just go with the flow as I have mostly always done. The indignity and principle is something I will stand up for at the cost of shallow opinion. The only factual information brought up by Ugly Duckling with a screen shot of what I said after a big event, is evidence of the personal nature of this grounding. He denies knowing the Doctor initially and then later conceded before this forum that had in fact met him.

What about my career damaged by his non-compliance with Part 67.00.14? Who polices Him?

The Health Professions Council will have an answer in less than 90 days. Watch this space.

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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by boaxofclean » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:52 pm

Felix Gosher wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:29 pm
Boxofclean,

I held a lot of respect for the Doctor in question despite having not made it at the SAAF through his office. That respect lasted, until I got the Whatts app Swastika with the Grounding, and the erroneous reports about me that followed.

True hours do mean nothing if your head is messed up ... but what is the likelihood of attaining that many hours in 12 years if your head is messed up ?
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Re: I see on Avcom you can’t state the facts of a situation.

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:54 pm

Felix do I KNOW you :?:
Really I think you are picking fly s h i t out of the pepper here. I have met you a few times regarding the Childrens Flight but really know zip about you and likewise you know zip about me and so it is with the Doc. We sat at the same table for 1/2 an hour so does not mean I know him :?:
You want conspiracies, then let your mind run free :roll:

By association, as you have been insisting all along, my Mom took me to the Doc when I 10 days old and he gave me a "trim". As all Jewish boys have the same done does that make us have the same faith too :?:
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