Deaf Pilots?

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Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Superfueler » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:51 pm

Interesting it seems there are many deaf pilots in the US. Heck they even have their own association. http://www.deafpilots.org but what are the numbers of them here and the regulations governing them in in SA as a matter of interest?
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Unread post by Superfueler » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:36 pm

Boomslang wrote:There must be a club in South Africa as we deal daily with pilots that can't hear anything.
:lol: That's a big club. :lol: :twisted:
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Unread post by Ray W » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:58 pm

Boomslang wrote:There must be a club in South Africa as we deal daily with pilots that can't hear anything.
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Unread post by janb » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:12 pm

Boomslang wrote:There must be a club in South Africa as we deal daily with pilots that can't hear anything.
In your neck of the woods, that club is next door to the Dof Pilot's Association.
Not sure which one has the most members.
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Unread post by zoofly » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:17 pm

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Unread post by Agent Cooper » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:09 am

Say again. :wink:
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Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:44 am

seriously....

Recal a student that went through 43AirSchool in the late 80's early 90's...was "clinically" deaf....with a very strong hearing aid could hear slightly.....had special headset made....went through all the tests and was issued a medical for PPL only provided he used his hearing aids and headsets....did his PPL on his own C182...dunno his name though....

Totally "deaf"...I should think not in SA
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Unread post by Learjet » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:24 pm

Superfueler, your post highlights just how fortunate pilots are to be able fly and how often it is that we just take it for granted!

I don't know what the regulations are in SA with regards to flying with impaired hearing, however a good start may be to review the Aviation medicine section on the CAA website http://www.caa.co.za wherein they list the various protocols.

It may also be worthwhile to set up a meeting with an Aviation Health Medical Examiner and use this opportunity to set out your genuine motivation and desire to fly. Judging from other posts regarding phsyical issues related to flying I get the feeling that while docs usually just "play it by the book and shut the door" (its the easiest and least risk option for them) - there are also instances of "where there's a will there's a way" prevailing and with enough motivation and willingness to persuade and explore different options - there may be light at the end of the tunnel. No doubt it will be a tough road, paved with prejudice and preconceived mindsets and opinion - but as the old saying goes, "nothing ventured nothing gained!"

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Unread post by Superfueler » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:37 pm

Learjet wrote:Superfueler, your post highlights just how fortunate pilots are to be able fly and how often it is that we just take it for granted!

I don't know what the regulations are in SA with regards to flying with impaired hearing, however a good start may be to review the Aviation medicine section on the CAA website http://www.caa.co.za wherein they list the various protocols.

It may also be worthwhile to set up a meeting with an Aviation Health Medical Examiner and use this opportunity to set out your genuine motivation and desire to fly. Judging from other posts regarding phsyical issues related to flying I get the feeling that while docs usually just "play it by the book and shut the door" (its the easiest and least risk option for them) - there are also instances of "where there's a will there's a way" prevailing and with enough motivation and willingness to persuade and explore different options - there may be light at the end of the tunnel. No doubt it will be a tough road, paved with prejudice and preconceived mindsets and opinion - but as the old saying goes, "nothing ventured nothing gained!"

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Unread post by Learjet » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:31 pm

Superfueler - have you considered flying gyros? Reading your post I think you may just find them to be the happy median between rotary flying and training / ownership & flying costs. :lol:
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Unread post by Superfueler » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:34 pm

Learjet wrote:Superfueler - have you considered flying gyros? Reading your post I think you may just find them to be the happy median between rotary flying and training / ownership & flying costs. :lol:

I do not personally find autogyros particularly appealing and I haven't convinced myself on their safety. In any case I am looking to purchase a 4-6 seater aircraft in the near future as an investment and I'll probably have to hire a CPL to fly everytime as I've given up convincing the wife to learn to fly :twisted:
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Unread post by John D » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:42 pm

Superfuler

A few years back there was a program on SABC TV about some chap that was deaf, used two hearing aids and passed his comm and was allowed to fly as such. Keep trying because it must be possible if this chap got it right. Contact SABC TV to see if it can be traced in theit archives, as it will at least give you evidence

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Unread post by priester » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:21 pm

The criteria for flying with a hearing impairment is simply that you must be able to communicate with ATC without undue difficulty. Headsets actually works better that hearing aids because you can adjust the volume more easily and a lot of background noise is filtered out.

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Unread post by Rotor kop » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:58 pm

Superfueler wrote:
Learjet wrote:Superfueler - have you considered flying gyros? Reading your post I think you may just find them to be the happy median between rotary flying and training / ownership & flying costs. :lol:

I do not personally find autogyros particularly appealing and I haven't convinced myself on their safety. In any case I am looking to purchase a 4-6 seater aircraft in the near future as an investment and I'll probably have to hire a CPL to fly everytime as I've given up convincing the wife to learn to fly :twisted:
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by braider » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:57 am

Hey guys

To revive an old post, has anyone gone any further on this matter? I am a hard of hearing chappie that although not deaf, would battle to hear on the headsets, but have a HUGE interesting in flying...

Anyone?

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