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SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:27 pm

First alerted via a whatsapp message but then again with reference to the Durban Muslim Community facebook page where its claim the pilot's father apparently confirmed the details. It is however very suspicious in my opinion. Anyone with insight ?

Here is the wording from the facebook page https://www.facebook.com/groups/1120677744752695/

Pilot for SAA ,Naeem Kajee ...First officer
Flew to USA, was detained, denied his rights to contact the embassy or anyone else , after almost 8hrs, He was deported as a passenger back to SA.
Let's see what response we get from the SA government, with regards to their pilot in a national carrier , who has all security clearances , prior to even stepping into the cockpit.

As usual, the FBI controls the SA government, so it will just be a small issue and the rest swept under the carpet .

*Shame On You USA.*
Naeem is a religious and pious young man, who holds his Islamic principles, same as how Hashim Amla is respected for his religious character whilst executing his position for South Africa .
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:52 pm

Multirotordronepilot wrote:
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As usual, the FBI controls the SA government, so it will just be a small issue and the rest swept under the carpet .
Are you serious? :?
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:52 pm
Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:27 pm
As usual, the FBI controls the SA government, so it will just be a small issue and the rest swept under the carpet .
Are you serious? :?
Well its ether details from a factual incident and written by someone with allot of emotion ........ or complete hogwash designed to cause a media stir with sinister intentions. But if it is indeed based on factual details then it certainly is very interesting.
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:10 pm

Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 pm
Jack Welles wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:52 pm
Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:27 pm
As usual, the FBI controls the SA government, so it will just be a small issue and the rest swept under the carpet .
Are you serious? :?
Well its ether details from a factual incident and written by someone with allot of emotion ........ or complete hogwash designed to cause a media stir with sinister intentions. But if it is indeed based on factual details then it certainly is very interesting.
I meant about the highlighted bit where you said: "The FBI controls the SA govt." Are you serious?
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by SlowApproach » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:29 pm

The FarceBook reporter is somewhat ignorant too. We all know it's the CIA who calls the shots :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:46 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:10 pm
Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 pm
Jack Welles wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:52 pm

Are you serious? :?
Well its ether details from a factual incident and written by someone with allot of emotion ........ or complete hogwash designed to cause a media stir with sinister intentions. But if it is indeed based on factual details then it certainly is very interesting.
I meant about the highlighted bit where you said: "The FBI controls the SA govt." Are you serious?
No Edd that is quite or rather copied from the FB post
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:28 pm

Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:46 pm
Jack Welles wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:10 pm
Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 pm
Well its ether details from a factual incident and written by someone with allot of emotion ........ or complete hogwash designed to cause a media stir with sinister intentions. But if it is indeed based on factual details then it certainly is very interesting.
I meant about the highlighted bit where you said: "The FBI controls the SA govt." Are you serious?
No Edd that is quite or rather copied from the FB post
:D Okay then, it does seem a little far-fetched :shock:
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by Joker11 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:24 pm

Tin foil hats anyone?
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by three eighty » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:51 pm

I'm not sure what response is expected form our highly competent ANC government but I would expect none due to them focusing all attention to the latest ESCOM crises. Or not.
With regards to him being denied entry into the USA, the fact that he was carrying out his duties for the national carrier means nothing. He may well have been issued the required visa by the USA embassy but that in no way assures his entry by the immigration authorities on arrival in the USA. They have the final say and are well within their rights to deny or approve entry at the border.
As for him being a "religious and pious young man" What does that have to do with anything?
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Unread post by ACE MAN » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:54 pm

We had a ‘tanned’ Australian that was detained several times in the US because his name was on the FBI wanted list. I flew with him once when he was called out and he told the whole crew to go to the hotel and he stayed for a 4 hour interview. He had requested with our company not to roster him US flights due to this.
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by Burner » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:56 am

Their country, their rules....
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Unread post by evanb » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:11 pm

Burner wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:56 am
Their country, their rules....
Technically not. Crew travel rules are defined by Treaty and not by domestic law. That is why crew travel is nearly always under different immigration rules compared to regular travelers, in the case of the US it's a C1 or D visa rather than B1/B2. However, that treaty still allows them to revoke that visa at any time.
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Unread post by Diesel-3 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:03 am

Coming from a Middle East carrier, we see this all the time. Nothing sinister.

Some of our crew get called for secondary screening every time and others just don't even apply for the US VISA.

The US issue the Visa, The US can take revoke it at any time.
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by 738 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:22 am

evanb wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:11 pm
Burner wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:56 am
Their country, their rules....
Technically not. Crew travel rules are defined by Treaty and not by domestic law. That is why crew travel is nearly always under different immigration rules compared to regular travelers, in the case of the US it's a C1 or D visa rather than B1/B2. However, that treaty still allows them to revoke that visa at any time.
So technically the US can say our country our rules.....and revoke visa even with a treaty, basically what Burner said?
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Re: SAA P2 detained in USA "speculation"

Unread post by evanb » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:06 pm

738 wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:22 am
So technically the US can say our country our rules.....and revoke visa even with a treaty, basically what Burner said?
Not really since under the terms of the Treaty the US have diplomatic obligations they would not have under normal circumstances, and SA have retaliatory options they would not normally have either. Furthermore, the Treaty creates dispute resolution mechanisms.

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