SAA A350-900 fleet

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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by IKTAV » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:47 pm

Agreed jbay. The CAA need to take a rocket over this! It’s disgraceful the waste they have caused - for no good reason other than bureaucratic red tape.
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by Tic » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:02 pm

jbayfan wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:14 pm

CAA forcing SAA to fly empty aircraft to Durban and back to check out each P1 and P2 joining the fleet, even though these crew are A330 current and have received their A350 type ratings on a level D simulator.
So are the birds delivered by non SAA crew then?
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by LongRangeCruise » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:17 pm

SAA crew with a training Captain from airbus delivered the 2 ex-MK birds.

The Hainan machines were delivered by Hainan crew.
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by gregdeklerk » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 am

I wonder what the business rescue practitioner's view is going to be on the cost of these leases. It is within his power to simply cancel them.
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by MadMacs » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:29 am

jbayfan wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:14 pm
Now to see how long the CAA bureaucracy and incompetence can keep them grounded and / or incur huge costs for SAA in getting crews checked out on the type.

CAA forcing SAA to fly empty aircraft to Durban and back to check out each P1 and P2 joining the fleet, even though these crew are A330 current and have received their A350 type ratings on a level D simulator.
Is it not cabin crew training?
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by TerryN » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:32 am

The cost of these leases pales in significance when compared to the higher fuel burn and maintenance costs of the aging a346 fleet.... You may find that he'll want 1 or 2 more of them 🤷‍♂️
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by TerryN » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:38 am

ACE MAN wrote:
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I am not really disputing the 6T difference (I used the LQA airframe) as that is an extra 6 or so pax. It is more the revenue per kilometer earned if you can only load 210 or so passengers from JNB to JFK.
Ace, you're beating a dead drum here. Yes the 77W is probably the better machine for ULR ex JNB however it's not going to happen anytime soon - for now the 359 ticks the box - just as CX has a business case for 787 on the leaner routes with declining loads but they've decided to use 77W. It's all above our pay grade!
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by RiNCEw1ND » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:40 am

MadMacs wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:29 am
jbayfan wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:14 pm
Now to see how long the CAA bureaucracy and incompetence can keep them grounded and / or incur huge costs for SAA in getting crews checked out on the type.

CAA forcing SAA to fly empty aircraft to Durban and back to check out each P1 and P2 joining the fleet, even though these crew are A330 current and have received their A350 type ratings on a level D simulator.
Is it not cabin crew training?
No. As jbayfan said.
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by Ray W » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:33 am

I see the fourth A350 arrived here last night
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by gregdeklerk » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:18 am

Which long haul route is the most profitable? Shouldn't the 350 be used on that, or better to use on a marginal route to make it more profitable due to lower fuel burn?
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by MadMacs » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:14 pm

RiNCEw1ND wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:40 am
MadMacs wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:29 am
jbayfan wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:14 pm
Now to see how long the CAA bureaucracy and incompetence can keep them grounded and / or incur huge costs for SAA in getting crews checked out on the type.

CAA forcing SAA to fly empty aircraft to Durban and back to check out each P1 and P2 joining the fleet, even though these crew are A330 current and have received their A350 type ratings on a level D simulator.
Is it not cabin crew training?
No. As jbaydan said.
How's this any different to say the B747-200's doing touch and go's all day when training Pilots or FEO's in the old days?
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by trees » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:43 pm

Because we have zero flight time simulators now.
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Re: SAA A350-900 fleet

Unread post by evanb » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:53 pm

gregdeklerk wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 am
I wonder what the business rescue practitioner's view is going to be on the cost of these leases. It is within his power to simply cancel them.
The leases are likely entered into in a foreign jurisdiction (often places like Ireland or Singapore) where the lessors rights are protected and South African courts have little jurisdiction.

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