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Cemair grounded - wins Appeal yet again!

Unread post by GL » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:56 pm

CemAir has been grounded again- for 24 hours this time.
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Re: Cemair grounded again

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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by rip » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:12 pm

Well done SA CAA
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by AC6T » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:21 pm

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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by happyskipper » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:39 pm

So, what are the requirements for the "Responsible person: Flight Operations"?
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by 87Juliet » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:23 pm

happyskipper wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:39 pm
So, what are the requirements for the "Responsible person: Flight Operations"?
Good questions, is it stipulated in the regulations? Anyone?
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Unread post by 87Juliet » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:36 pm

Can anyone please translate these for me?
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by KisGman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:13 pm

87Juliet wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:23 pm
happyskipper wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:39 pm
So, what are the requirements for the "Responsible person: Flight Operations"?
Good questions, is it stipulated in the regulations? Anyone?
(2)Person Responsible for Flight Operations (PRFO)

(a)Qualifications: The PRFO shall, as a minimum –

(i)hold or have held the pilot licence and ratings appropriate to the aeroplanes being operated; or

(ii)demonstrate adequate knowledge of the operation of such aeroplanes; or

(iii)have acquired not less than 3 years supervisory experience in the flight operations department of an operator whose flight operations are similar in size and scope or acceptable alternative experience;

Notes –

1.In determining similar size of flight operations, the grouping of operators is based upon the following categories –

(a)large aeroplanes having a maximum certificated passenger seating capacity of 20 or more up to and including 50; and

(b)large aeroplanes having a maximum certificated passenger seating capacity of more than 50.

2.The PRFO of an operator acquiring larger aeroplanes or increasing the complexity of its operations may continue in such position: Provided –

(a)the operator is not acquiring aeroplanes more than 1 category higher than presently operated; and

(b)he or she becomes conversant with the new aeroplane or new operations, as applicable, within 3 months of the change.

3.A PRFO leaving an operator to take a PRFO position with another operator having a fleet of larger aeroplanes may do so: Provided –

(a)the new operator does not operate aeroplanes more than 1 category higher than those with which the PRFO has experience;

(b)he or she had at least 3 years’ experience as the PRFO of the operator having smaller aeroplanes; and

(c)he or she demonstrates adequate knowledge of the aeroplanes and flight operations of the new operator prior to acting in the position.

(iv)demonstrate knowledge to the Director of the content of the operations manual, the operator’s certificate and operations specifications, as well as those provisions of the regulations and technical standards necessary to carry out his or her duties and responsibilities to ensure safety; and

(v)not have had any conviction or administrative sanction under the Act or the Regulations which, in the view of the Director, was sufficiently serious to render such person not fit and proper to exercise the responsibilities of such position.



(b)Responsibilities

The PRFO is responsible for safe flight operations, in particular –

(i)the control of operations and operational standards of all aeroplanes operated;

(ii)the identification of operations co-ordination functions which impact on operational control (e.g. maintenance, crew scheduling, load control, equipment scheduling);

(iii)the supervision, organisation, manning and efficiency of the following –

(aa)flight operations;

(bb)cabin safety;

(cc)crew scheduling and rostering; and

(dd)training programmes;

(iv)the timely resolution of safety issues;

(v)the contents of the operator’s operations manual;

(vi)the supervision of and the production and amendment of the operations manual;

(vii)liaison with the regulatory authority on all matters concerning flight operations, including any variations to the operator’s AOC;

(viii)liaison with any external agencies which may affect the operator’s operations;

(ix)ensuring that the operator’s operations are conducted in accordance with current regulations, standards and the operator’s policy;

(x)ensuring that crew scheduling complies with flight and duty time regulations and that all crew members are kept informed of any changes to the regulations and standards;

(xi)the receipt and actioning of any aeronautical information affecting the safety of flight;

(xii)the dissemination of aeroplane safety information, both internal and external, in conjunction with the safety management system;

(xiii)the qualifications of flight and cabin crews; and

(xiv)the maintenance of a current operations library.
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by happyskipper » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:42 pm

Thanks, KisGman.
These requirements all seem very reasonable, and are sensible.
However, they do leave a lot open to interpretation.....
They also do not stipulate any time frame regarding the regs - so, in a nutshell if Cemair wants to employ me, I do qualify, according to these requirements...... even if I haven't been involved in the field for a while :wink:
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by GL » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:14 am

I am told that the CAA's problem was that CemAir had a suitably qualified person in the post - but that it was not okay that he was the acting postholder and not (yet) a permanent employee.
If so it seems a bit over the top - but maybe the rules require a permanent employee?
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by Burner » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:51 am

GL wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:14 am
I am told that the CAA's problem was that CemAir had a suitably qualified person in the post - but that it was not okay that he was the acting postholder and not (yet) a permanent employee.
If so it seems a bit over the top - but maybe the rules require a permanent employee?
Well the press release says that the acting post holder was not approved as the permanent post holder because He/She did not meet the stipulated requirements. So can't see how the CAA have acted offside. They allowed Cemair to operate with a person temporarily holding the post, with a stipulated deadline to find a suitably qualified fulltime individual. This deadline has been reached and so now the grounding.

I'm sure Miles will come on like he usually does and give us a very open and candid response as to what has happened. They have some highly experienced individuals flying for them, and no shortage of experience. I'm sure it will be ops normal tomorrow for them.
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Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:31 am

GL wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:14 am
I am told that the CAA's problem was that CemAir had a suitably qualified person in the post - but that it was not okay that he was the acting postholder and not (yet) a permanent employee.
If so it seems a bit over the top - but maybe the rules require a permanent employee?
Only the post holders, safety officer and quality manager can be contracted others must be permanent appointments.
I also believe that the issue was addressed and they applied for and were given 30 days to rectify this which it seems they did not do. At least this is the CAA's version.

Would also like to hear MvdM side at some point.
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:25 am

I should also add that I know an operator and an ATO where the Responsible Person Aircraft do not have permanent employment contracts with the companies. And both sailed through there recent audits, I'm not suggesting that the SACAA inspectors check under every single stone but I am wondering if they pay particular attention to more aspects when visiting Cemair.
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Re: Cemair grounded again

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