Cemair grounded again

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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by zebra123 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:32 pm

Harry C -your info was a bit "off" -i see CMP operated JNB-GEORGE-JHB-TODAY.
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by Steve » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:44 pm

HJK 414 wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:14 am

On the Academy - "speculation is encouraged"
Speculation is defined as : the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

I think it is important to understand the "context" of what is meant by "speculation is encouraged". As you will appreciate, the academy & flight safety section is all about encouraging flight safety and although accidents / incidents are reported and various details about these accidents / incidents will obviously emerge.

In the early days, we were then flooded with well meaning individuals who tried their very best to suppress any further information emerging, often requesting that all wait until CAA reports are released, etc..etc... before discussing things further, etc...

As you will appreciate, no learning will get done on that basis (as reports often take several month before being released) and the ideal time to help folks learn is to expose them to the reality of these unfortunate events and the possible causes (hence the "speculation is encouraged" scenario).

So the ideal is for avcomers to talk about what the potential causes are and what actions could avoid them - even if the discussion does not pivot strictly to the absolutes in each accident case - the thought provoking discussion emanating is what is expected to make many avcomers safer pilots by being exposed to this type of discussion. There are many highly experienced aviators and aeronautical engineers who often add invaluable input, etc...

The "speculation should be encouraged" was therefore never intended as a license to gossip or spread rumours, etc...etc...

Due to defamatory liability, it is therefore imperative that if one is going to make statements about a person or company, then ones facts need to be correct with backup evidence in case one finds oneself challenged legally - which is a very different scenario from an example as below:-

"In the case of a B1900, typical approach speed would be XY Knots and if flown below that speed, one could expect the outcome to be ABC because of DEF....and if the pilot 's actions were HIJ, then a possibly contributing factors would be KLM"...

The example above illustrates that speculation is focussed on trying to understand cause and effect and not trying to do a witch hunt and place blame.

So the acid test in the case of this active topic - it's not about an accident or incident (with any intterest in avitation safety) - it's a breaking story on real time events happening to an airline company - so speculation is not encouraged in context in this case, only facts - and if avcomers present these facts, they need to have supporting evidence (like newspaper articles, documents, etc..) If one wants to post an "opinion", then is should be stated as such, but remember that this forum like any other is considered a community "soap box" and if you are going to make statements that are not correct or based on poor information and defamatory, they could indeed land you in hot water.....
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by springbok » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:03 am

zebra123 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:32 pm
Harry C -your info was a bit "off" -i see CMP operated JNB-GEORGE-JHB-TODAY.
And it arrived back in Joburg late on the 29th December, so was obviously a refuel stop on the way back.
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by HarryC » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:56 am

springbok wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:03 am
zebra123 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:32 pm
Harry C -your info was a bit "off" -i see CMP operated JNB-GEORGE-JHB-TODAY.
And it arrived back in Joburg late on the 29th December, so was obviously a refuel stop on the way back.
Thank you for the update.
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by DJB » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:21 pm

Still no update on why the CRJ fleet is grounded?
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by jong747 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:44 pm

Moderators Message:
Unproved "facts" which adds nothing to the thread

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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by cage » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:54 pm

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Unproved "facts" which adds nothing to the thread

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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by jong747 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:58 pm

Thanks Cage, that's the one.

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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by Goffel » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:04 pm

Sitting on the floor, "my ass".....she is sitting in the jump-seat....NOTHING WRONG.

Furthermore...the aircraft is on the ground
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by happyskipper » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:57 pm

jong747 wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:44 pm
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Unproved "facts" which adds nothing to the thread

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Sorry, Jon - but where does she state that she is "Sitting on the floor between the pilots"? :shock:
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by jong747 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:03 pm

happyskipper wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:57 pm
jong747 wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:44 pm
Moderators Message:
Unproved "facts" which adds nothing to the thread
Sorry, Jon - but where does it state that she is "Sitting on the ground between the pilots"? :shock:
I may be wrong but the #idonthaveaseat says enough...
But like I said, I am not familiar so please educate me on normal pax who do not have a seat?
I'm not trying to cause drama but if this has anything todo with what CAA is trying to prevent then it means alot.

Is there another jumpseat available on these flights for pax?

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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by happyskipper » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:09 pm

jong747 wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:03 pm
happyskipper wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:57 pm
jong747 wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:44 pm
Moderators Message:
Unproved "facts" which adds nothing to the thread

Jon
Sorry, Jon - but where does it state that she is "Sitting on the ground between the pilots"? :shock:
I may be wrong but the #idonthaveaseat says enough...
But like I said, I am not familiar so please educate me on normal pax who do not have a seat?
I'm not trying to cause drama but if this has anything todo with what CAA is trying to prevent then it means alot.

Is there another jumpseat available on these flights for pax?

Jon
Yes, you are 100% correct, Jon - you "may" be wrong.
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by jong747 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:12 pm

happyskipper wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:09 pm
jong747 wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:03 pm
happyskipper wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:57 pm


Sorry, Jon - but where does it state that she is "Sitting on the ground between the pilots"? :shock:
I may be wrong but the #idonthaveaseat says enough...
But like I said, I am not familiar so please educate me on normal pax who do not have a seat?
I'm not trying to cause drama but if this has anything todo with what CAA is trying to prevent then it means alot.

Is there another jumpseat available on these flights for pax?

Jon
Yes, you are 100% correct, Jon - you "may" be wrong.
Fair enough, that's why I said I was just asking. Old age and not educated on Dash Jump seats might have the best of me....
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by Flying Sourcer » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:05 am

Isn't it scary how quick the ignorant are to jump to the nearest foolish conclusion?

Maybe Cemair should think twice before carrying bimbos on the jump seat!
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Re: Cemair grounded again

Unread post by tbone » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:36 am

Flying Sourcer wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:05 am
Isn't it scary how quick the ignorant are to jump to the nearest foolish conclusion?

Maybe Cemair should think twice before carrying bimbos on the jump seat!
Apparently no good deed will go un-punished....

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