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Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by Fozzybear » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:49 pm

Does anyone out there have any knowledge as to the identities of the various long term stored residents across the field? Some can be read off from the terminal, like the Air Corridor 737, but a lot went unidentied on my recent visit and I had no joy on internet searches. A few that I’m after:

Airlink 146/RJ85 - no wings - parked side on to the left of the safair maintenance hangars
CRJ200 - old delta airlines tail colours - parked outside Cemair hangar
737-300 - green/grey primer colours, no other markings - in enclosure behind Cemair hangar
DC9 - blue tail, hba titles, located near Denel area
Hs748 - white colour scheme - Denel area

Also there seems to be a J41 fuselage near to bushes in front of the Safair hangars, plus several other unidenified 737’s around the place, aside from the EC Air pair (blue & green tail markings) which I have already traced.

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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by HAAN » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:23 pm

Any Air Zimbabwe A320's still parked at SAAT?
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by zebra123 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:23 pm

Evening the HS 748-at Denel was part of the executive aerospace fleet that was "spared" when the company went into liquidation in about 2005- will come back with reg-but executive aerospace had 5 of these machines-most sold for scrap at auction.
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by Fozzybear » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:58 pm

HAAN wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:23 pm
Any Air Zimbabwe A320's still parked at SAAT?
Yes, Z-WPM (A320) was still there mid November.
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by HAAN » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:30 am

And the TAAG B743s parked at SAAT. Are they all Coke cans now?
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by Fozzybear » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:40 am

HAAN wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:30 am
And the TAAG B743s parked at SAAT. Are they all Coke cans now?
Absolutely, long gone now.
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by evanb » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:55 am

Fozzybear wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:49 pm
Airlink 146/RJ85 - no wings - parked side on to the left of the safair maintenance hangars
The RJ85s are slowly being withdrawn and scrapped as the E170/190s enter service. ZS-SSK and ZS-SSH have already been scrapped and some others likely too.
Fozzybear wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:49 pm
CRJ200 - old delta airlines tail colours - parked outside Cemair hangar
Most of Cemair's CRJs were previously operated for Delta. Likely one of those.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:49 pm
Also there seems to be a J41 fuselage near to bushes in front of the Safair hangars, plus several other unidenified 737’s around the place, aside from the EC Air pair (blue & green tail markings) which I have already traced.
I believe Airlink are starting to withdrawn the J41s. A few have already been withdrawn. At 25 years of age they may have seen the end of their life.
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by African Flyer » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:13 am

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I believe Airlink are starting to withdrawn the J41s. A few have already been withdrawn. At 25 years of age they may have seen the end of their life.
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Interesting :-k . What do you think their most likely replacement will be Evan?
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by evanb » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:08 am

African Flyer wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:13 am
Interesting :-k . What do you think their most likely replacement will be Evan?
ERJ135 or routes discontinued, e.g. PLZ-ELS-PLZ.
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by rare bird » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:34 pm

what happened to the J41 s that were converted to freighters?
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by Ray W » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:20 am

rare bird wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:34 pm
what happened to the J41 s that were converted to freighters?
Do you happen to know which ones these were ?
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by Burner » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:44 am

Ray W wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:20 am
rare bird wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:34 pm
what happened to the J41 s that were converted to freighters?
Do you happen to know which ones these were ?
Very old thread here but mentions one ZS-OMY was converted. However, I can't find any photos or references online confirming that this happened. The aircraft became 9J-PCY at Proflight, and the photos I've seen online show it to be in a PAX config still.

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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by rare bird » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:41 pm

I recall one of the Jetstreams being converted to freight, probably about 4 years ago.
Roger had a plan to convert a whole lot of them, as more Embraers came in, but then seemed to change the plan. (not sure of the exact reasons, but presume it had to do with the timing of courier contracts and also the new dangerous goods regulations - the volume of road traffic picked up!)
The J41s were used for JNB-Phalaborwa, East London-PE, JNB=Richards Bay routes, and also CTN-George many years ago - the volumes on that route picked up when all the golf estates were doing EIAs etc and that was when the BAE RJ89 was brought in on that route - to handle the "commuter " pax numbers and also the Embraer 135s were used with increased frequency. The fuel burn on the J41 is literally half that of a CBR 200 and almost half that of the 135. I never had much to do with the RJ89s but I imagine they were quite thirsty.
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by Burner » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:33 pm

Interesting that DHL for example went from using Vans, to 1900s, to ATR42s, to ATR72s, to B734F's in the space of 15 years between JHB - Harare and Lusaka. My take is that it's cheaper to send smaller loads via road regionally via the bigger hubs, than to use smaller aircraft flying 1-2 tons around.
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Re: Stored airliners at JNB

Unread post by rare bird » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:57 am

yes, some of the cargo contracts had a "bread & butter" client underpinning the operation eg the Postal service when it still worked. The rest of the load was money for jam.
imo the world has changed a bit - both from a tendering perspective, and from a client expectation perspective- eg not really necessary to carry tons of newspapers anymore - people get it on-line, but at the same time, cargo that previously could have gone with a pax flight, now has to go separately (DG). Tenders also seem to me to be awarded to "strange" bidders. One that I am aware of used to do a similar run to one of the DHL flights. they now use a ten ton Toyota truck with three Zimbabwean drivers, at less than one tenth of the cost.

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