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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by Roger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:40 am

We do agree that there will be some political entanglement in such a subject and the mods do exercise some discretion in this regard, but where the posts become derogatory, and only used to vent , they do not add any value to the discussion. Posts deleted here include references to zombies and some choice swear words. Remove the baseball bats and derogatory comments and the chances the post will stay do improve.

The other threads you refer to, have you clicked the report this post button?
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by Johan.botha » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:07 am

No, I don't report posts. Would rather see the widest array of views. Not a fan of censorship in any form.

I don't recall the exact words of the removed post but I don't remember swearing. The gist was that SAA's current operational model requires substantial state funding (around 20% of turnover) and this is unlikely to change. Its widely accepted that SA is headed towards a fiscal cliff, there is debate as to when but the status quo cannot continue indefinitely.

I believe the question about a 10-12 year lease for an SOE with an unsustainable business model and a pile of govt guarantees is a valid one.
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by Roger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:40 pm

Johan.botha wrote:
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I don't recall the exact words of the removed post but I don't remember swearing.
Dont feel so special. You are not the only one to have been moderated on this thread. :wink:

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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by SwaziEagle » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:28 am

Im not surprised the Financial Statements are haywire. The payment to Comair was made during that financial period right?

With regards to marketing efforts for the new fleet, does anyone know if anything is planned and are these aircraft going to fly in from China or go to Germany first for cabin fitting or SAAT does cabin fitting again?
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by LongRangeCruise » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:08 am

We will fly the A350s to JFK initially.
When we arrive of a ULR flight we feel like Zombies.
In that state don’t watch the news as you are likely to beat yourself with a baseball bat :mrgreen:
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by sweeterz » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:22 am

What kind of a fuel saving could SAA potentially get by using A350s instead of the A346 on the JHB-JFK route? It must be huge.. Also, how much less cargo can an A350-900 carry compared to an A346? Would this be a problem for SAA?
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by evanb » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:36 pm

sweeterz wrote:
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What kind of a fuel saving could SAA potentially get by using A350s instead of the A346 on the JHB-JFK route? It must be huge.. Also, how much less cargo can an A350-900 carry compared to an A346? Would this be a problem for SAA?
30 to 40t in fuel each way, but it's at the cost of potential payload (pax or cargo) since the A350-900 carries less payload than an A340-600. Will it be a problem? Unlikely since the A340-600 isn't being used for its pax and cargo capacity on that route as much as it's being used for its fuel carrying capability.
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by Richard007 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:30 am

So is the A350 around 20% smaller than the A346 in the likely reconfig? And burn-wise about 100t and 130t respectively?

What is the lease rate for thise things, around $800k per month?
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by evanb » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:51 pm

Richard007 wrote:
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So is the A350 around 20% smaller than the A346 in the likely reconfig? And burn-wise about 100t and 130t respectively?

What is the lease rate for thise things, around $800k per month?
Yes, it a little smaller the A340-600, but not 20%, but also bigger than he A340-300 in a similar config. Using the seats on the A330-300, it should get around 40J 250Y, whereas the A340-600 as 42J 275Y.

Lease rates probably about $1 million/month. By comparison a new A330-300 will be about $800,000/month.
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by Richard007 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:57 am

So in terms of capacity, not a big difference between a 340-300, a 330-330 and a 350-900?
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by evanb » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:27 pm

Richard007 wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:57 am
So in terms of capacity, not a big difference between a 340-300, a 330-330 and a 350-900?
No, it's bigger. The current SAA aircraft seating capacity are:

A330-200 C36Y186 Total 222
A330-300 C46Y203 Total 249
A340-300 C38Y215 Total 253
A340-600 C42Y275 Total 317

I expect the A350-900 to be about 40J250Y (total 290), or if they want a little less dense 44J238Y (total 282), so it'll be significantly nigger than A330-300/A340-300.
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by ACE MAN » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:41 pm

Richard007 wrote:
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So in terms of capacity, not a big difference between a 340-300, a 330-330 and a 350-900?
I think the restrictions will be in limiting the ZFW due to restrictive RTOW calculations out of JNB.
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by Richard007 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:18 am

Ok so a A350-900 is about halfway between the 340-300 and the 600?

Looks like the fuel savings are a little less than the lease costs. The size and RTOW issues aside.
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by SwaziEagle » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:31 pm

Is SAA going to take from the active A359's from HX or HU or its going to get from the ones awaiting delivery?

I see F-WZFU allocated for HX or HU is listed as on final assembly line, does that mean cabin might be fitted for SAA from Airbus or this jet will still go to HX or HU and SAA is given repossessed jets (if repossession occurs)?
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Re: SAA Fleet Renewal

Unread post by evanb » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:21 pm

SwaziEagle wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:31 pm
Is SAA going to take from the active A359's from HX or HU or its going to get from the ones awaiting delivery?

I see F-WZFU allocated for HX or HU is listed as on final assembly line, does that mean cabin might be fitted for SAA from Airbus or this jet will still go to HX or HU and SAA is given repossessed jets (if repossession occurs)?
There are a number of A350s due for delivery to HX which are being held back from delivery by the lessor. They won't need to be repossessed since they have not been delivered to HX.

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