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Re: United to operate Newark Cape Town with 787-9

Unread post by GL » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:36 am

Absolutely fantastic reply. =D> Fantastic insights. That you Evanb.
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Re: United to operate Newark Cape Town with 787-9

Unread post by pwnel » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:50 pm

evanb wrote:
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Hue news for Cape Town and congrats to Wesgro. They have been working on this for a long time!
Sadly the Yanks are screwing the pooch on pricing. There was incredible excitement when this was announced. (I even switched my frequent flyer program from Voyager - where I'm Platinum - to start from scratch on United MileagePlus). But a $1000+ premium for a non-stop flight and 4 hours less travel time is not worth it. Quite a shame - had dinner with one of Wesgro people involved just two weeks ago here in New York and know what they had to do to get this done.
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Re: United to operate Newark Cape Town with 787-9

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Trans-oceanic flight in a twin...mmm...
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Re: United to operate Newark Cape Town with 787-9

Unread post by gregdeklerk » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:09 am

pwnel wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:50 pm
evanb wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:52 am
Hue news for Cape Town and congrats to Wesgro. They have been working on this for a long time!
Sadly the Yanks are screwing the pooch on pricing. There was incredible excitement when this was announced. (I even switched my frequent flyer program from Voyager - where I'm Platinum - to start from scratch on United MileagePlus). But a $1000+ premium for a non-stop flight and 4 hours less travel time is not worth it. Quite a shame - had dinner with one of Wesgro people involved just two weeks ago here in New York and know what they had to do to get this done.

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Re: United to operate Newark Cape Town with 787-9

Unread post by evanb » Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:58 pm

pwnel wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:50 pm
Sadly the Yanks are screwing the pooch on pricing. There was incredible excitement when this was announced. (I even switched my frequent flyer program from Voyager - where I'm Platinum - to start from scratch on United MileagePlus). But a $1000+ premium for a non-stop flight and 4 hours less travel time is not worth it. Quite a shame - had dinner with one of Wesgro people involved just two weeks ago here in New York and know what they had to do to get this done.
I think US carriers are very aggressive on their demand management. I suspect United are just feeling out the premium yields at this stage. Keep in mind that UA only accounts for about 11% of US-SA direct traffic, and that they have massive capacity into SA via LHR/FRA/MUC, far more than they have on this 4x weekly seasonal service. They've zeroed out a whole bunch of economy ticket classes.

The US carriers are quite focussed on the upcoming summer season at the moment, so I suspect they'll pay more attention to this in the next few months.
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Re: United to operate Newark Cape Town with 787-9

Unread post by glassos » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:37 pm

evanb wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:58 pm
pwnel wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:50 pm
Sadly the Yanks are screwing the pooch on pricing. There was incredible excitement when this was announced. (I even switched my frequent flyer program from Voyager - where I'm Platinum - to start from scratch on United MileagePlus). But a $1000+ premium for a non-stop flight and 4 hours less travel time is not worth it. Quite a shame - had dinner with one of Wesgro people involved just two weeks ago here in New York and know what they had to do to get this done.
I think US carriers are very aggressive on their demand management. I suspect United are just feeling out the premium yields at this stage. Keep in mind that UA only accounts for about 11% of US-SA direct traffic, and that they have massive capacity into SA via LHR/FRA/MUC, far more than they have on this 4x weekly seasonal service. They've zeroed out a whole bunch of economy ticket classes.

The US carriers are quite focussed on the upcoming summer season at the moment, so I suspect they'll pay more attention to this in the next few months.
United manages its yield very well. It's India routes, for example, are very competitive and yet they manage to compete with the Indian carriers and Gulf carriers on those routes. And, they're not competing for the super cost-conscious traveler in the SA market. Those travelers are likely going to continue routing through Dubai etc. and are willing to spend the extra time traveling.

Yield management is an art for US carriers and they'll massage the price to ensure a healthy and profitable route.
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Re: United to operate Newark Cape Town with 787-9

Unread post by evanb » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:49 pm

glassos wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:37 pm
United manages its yield very well. It's India routes, for example, are very competitive and yet they manage to compete with the Indian carriers and Gulf carriers on those routes. And, they're not competing for the super cost-conscious traveler in the SA market. Those travelers are likely going to continue routing through Dubai etc. and are willing to spend the extra time traveling.

Yield management is an art for US carriers and they'll massage the price to ensure a healthy and profitable route.
Right, although the market between the US and India is much larger, yet United are the only US carrier with service to India (Delta are returning at the end of the year though). That means that United are getting a monopoly on US corporate contacts and government service. They're able to charge a big premium over Air India and the ME3.

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