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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by Switch » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:57 pm

GL wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:21 pm
evanb wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:46 pm
airbusa346 wrote:
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Will the A330-900 NEO be a leasing option for SAA in the future?
Why?
okay - I'll bite - given shrinking loads due to SAA's structurally poor feed (and de-feed) the gauge may better suit A330-900 and - 800 (and maybe 787-9) than A350.
Is that a result of SAA stubbornness to continue using OR Tambo as a hub instead on getting smaller aircraft and having flight from CPT and DUR?
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by Unhooked » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:40 pm

What the hell does the configuration of the A350 have to do with the survival of this disfunctional company? Affirmative action and BBEEE have assured that this behemoth SOE will never show a profit ever again.
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by GL » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:00 pm

Switch wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:57 pm
GL wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:21 pm
evanb wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:46 pm


Why?
okay - I'll bite - given shrinking loads due to SAA's structurally poor feed (and de-feed) the gauge may better suit A330-900 and - 800 (and maybe 787-9) than A350.
Is that a result of SAA stubbornness to continue using OR Tambo as a hub instead on getting smaller aircraft and having flight from CPT and DUR?
Good question - the ol' hub and spoke or point to point debate.
Other airlines seem to be successfully developing P2P from Durban and CPT so maybe SAA should move to P2P and smaller a/c.
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by Switch » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:02 pm

GL wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:00 pm
Switch wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:57 pm
GL wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:21 pm
okay - I'll bite - given shrinking loads due to SAA's structurally poor feed (and de-feed) the gauge may better suit A330-900 and - 800 (and maybe 787-9) than A350.
Is that a result of SAA stubbornness to continue using OR Tambo as a hub instead on getting smaller aircraft and having flight from CPT and DUR?
Good question - the ol' hub and spoke or point to point debate.
Other airlines seem to be successfully developing P2P from Durban and CPT so maybe SAA should move to P2P and smaller a/c.
So the 787-8 might actually be the best option? I think the A330-200 has to high capacity for the point to point model initially. 787 has to legs for some long routes. If more capacity is required can use the -9 or -10

Then return all the A320’s and let Mango do all the domestic routes with their 737?
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by Diesel-3 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:06 pm

A350...

Who is going to fly these ac? What are the training costs for initial type ratings and recurrent traning? SAA will have to use third party simulators... and that’s not cheap.

So how many Crew’s will they put on these ac ? Esssentially this creates another whole fleet
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by evanb » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:00 am

GL wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:00 pm
Good question - the ol' hub and spoke or point to point debate.
Other airlines seem to be successfully developing P2P from Durban and CPT so maybe SAA should move to P2P and smaller a/c.
And doing so from .... checks notes .... hubs!
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by evanb » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:02 am

Diesel-3 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:06 pm
A350...

Who is going to fly these ac? What are the training costs for initial type ratings and recurrent traning? SAA will have to use third party simulators... and that’s not cheap.

So how many Crew’s will they put on these ac ? Esssentially this creates another whole fleet
Common type ratings with difference training only.
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by Diesel-3 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:47 am

Common type ratings with difference training only.
Hi Evan,

Airbus are saying it’s a common type with 330 only. The only similarity is two engines.

It’s closest to the A 380 systems wise, and Airbus have not approved that as a common type, yet. The 320, not even close. As far as I know, there are no airlines doing MFF with a 350. ( Air Mauritius May be, but I don’t know)

Our guys who did the 350 course, at Airbus, 380. Took 7 days and were required to fly the ac. 320 guys required 3 weeks, so not simply differences training
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by evanb » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:21 am

Diesel-3 wrote:
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Airbus are saying it’s a common type with 330 only. The only similarity is two engines.
SAA operate 11x A330s. Here is the Airbus press release: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en ... ining.html
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by GL » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:31 am

evanb wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:00 am
GL wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:00 pm
Good question - the ol' hub and spoke or point to point debate.
Other airlines seem to be successfully developing P2P from Durban and CPT so maybe SAA should move to P2P and smaller a/c.
And doing so from .... checks notes .... hubs!
Good one :lol: :lol:
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by airbusa346 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:51 pm

evanb wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:46 pm
airbusa346 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:17 pm
Will the A330-900 NEO be a leasing option for SAA in the future?
Why?
Just wondering as it is a more modern version of the current A330, it might make sense for SAA to perhaps lease it in the distant future. Aren't the range capabilities of the NEO better than that of the current A330?
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by jbayfan » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:39 pm

SAA will be getting A330-900 NEOs. The A340s will be phased out.
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by Richard Smit » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:08 pm

jbayfan wrote:
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SAA will be getting A330-900 NEOs. The A340s will be phased out.
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by evanb » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:41 am

jbayfan wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:39 pm
SAA will be getting A330-900 NEOs. The A340s will be phased out.
SAA currently only has three routes which the A340s fly exclusively. JNB-JFK, JNB-HKG (and put JNB-CAN with that) and JNB-FRA (although JNB-FRA occasionally sees A330 substitutions). That schedule required six aircraft. With JNB-JFK going to A350, that leaves four A340s required. The A330-900neo will not replace those four aircraft since they certainly won't carry the payload on JNB-HKG/CAN and likely not regularly on JNB-FRA.

JNB-LHR, JNB-MUC, JNB-ACC/DDS-IAD, JNB-GRU, JNB-ACC-ABJ and JNB-LOS are A330 routes (with occasional A340 substitutions). This requires about nine aircraft. An additional possibility is JNB-PER which is flown interchangeably with A330 and A340, but could be replaced by A330.

With the remaining A340s being phased out I find it difficult to see the the A330-900neos replacing them.
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Re: SAA turnaround strategy

Unread post by jdag2004 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:44 am

This is the hypothetical ranges from JNB, not taking into account elevation and those factors.

A330-900NEO
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A330-800NEO
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