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SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA (Now in Business Rescue)

Unread post by Ray W » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:24 pm

There is a report on WhatsApp that SAX were grounded temporally this morning due to outstanding ACSA fees. Does anybody have any further info on this?
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by Beechgecko » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:32 pm

Not true.
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:12 pm

I do know that SAA's sales team had their company cars re-possessed for a day or so due to what may have been an administrative glitch
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by 131sixfive » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:35 pm

No SA Express flights were displayed on the screens in BFN this morning, apparently this was the same at all airports.
From what I could gather ACSA are treating them as a non scheduled carrier, their flights operated as 'normal*', SA Express management were apparently trying to sort the situation out.

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* The have been cancelling and delaying flights on a daily basis, they seem to have only 4 or 5 aircraft operational at the moment.
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by African Flyer » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:10 pm

131sixfive wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:35 pm
No SA Express flights were displayed on the screens in BFN this morning, apparently this was the same at all airports.
From what I could gather ACSA are treating them as a non scheduled carrier, their flights operated as 'normal*', SA Express management were apparently trying to sort the situation out.

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* The have been cancelling and delaying flights on a daily basis, they seem to have only 4 or 5 aircraft operational at the moment.
The 4 or 5 aircraft, how many are Q400 and how many are CRJ?
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by Ray W » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:11 pm

Ok thanks
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by 131sixfive » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:25 pm

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The 4 or 5 aircraft, how many are Q400 and how many are CRJ?
According to my information the active aircraft are 4x DH4 and one CR2, there is one CR2 in C-check and 2x CR7 are AOG for the last few weeks waiting for repairs. The rest of the fleet has not returned to service since their grounding last year.

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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by African Flyer » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:27 pm

131sixfive wrote:
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The 4 or 5 aircraft, how many are Q400 and how many are CRJ?
According to my information the active aircraft are 4x DH4 and one CR2, there is one CR2 in C-check and 2x CR7 are AOG for the last few weeks waiting for repairs. The rest of the fleet has not returned to service since their grounding last year.

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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by GL » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:23 pm

Seems like Siza's boasts of turning it around are just more empty promises.
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by rare bird » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:37 pm

crew also seem a bit glum these days. will take a lot to turn it around now
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by ERASER » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:38 am

The 3 x DH4's and 3 x CR2's standing in SAAT are also in a not so good condition.
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by Ray W » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:40 am

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The 3 x DH4's and 3 x CR2's standing in SAAT are also in a not so good condition.
They've been there for a long time - I wonder if they haven't been withdrawn from use.
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by 131sixfive » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:55 am

I believe the following information with regards to the SA Express fleet is correct but any corrections are welcomed.

DH4 ZS-NMO has not flown in more than two years after being stripped of spares while in C-check.
DH4 ZS-NMS has not flown in about two years after being stripped for spares while in C-check.
CR2 ZS-NMM WFU as economical total loss following external damage discovered affecting center fuel tank.
CR2 ZS-NMC had to be bought from lessor and WFU as not economical to repair after parts stripping incl. both engines.

The following aircraft have not been noted in service since the grounding:

DH4 - ZS-YBR / ZS-YBX / ZS-YBY / ZS-YBZ
CR2 - ZS-NMI / ZS-NMN / ZS-NMD / ZS-NMF

I think it would be safe to assume that these aircraft have also had spares stripped to keep others flying.

The active aircraft are:

DH4 - ZS-YBP / ZS-YBT / ZS-YBU / ZS-YBW
CR2 - ZS-NME / ZS-NMD(Reported in C-check)
CR7 - ZS-NBF / ZS-NBG(Both reported AOG awaiting spares/repair)

The current fleet is not capable maintaining the published schedule, even on the quieter weekends. Out of Bloemfontein they have a hour delay on Saturday and cancelled the evening flight on Sunday, the JNB-WVB flight has not been seen to operate for over a week now and they are hiring in an Embraer 120 to cover the JNB-UTT route after several days of cancellations last week, all routes are subject to daily cancellations and delays.

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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by FoxTROT » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:33 am

131sixfive wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:55 am

The current fleet is not capable maintaining the published schedule, even on the quieter weekends. Out of Bloemfontein they have a hour delay on Saturday and cancelled the evening flight on Sunday, the JNB-WVB flight has not been seen to operate for over a week now and they are hiring in an Embraer 120 to cover the JNB-UTT route after several days of cancellations last week, all routes are subject to daily cancellations and delays.
All 3 of these routes are covered by Airlink from JNB. Which begs the question, do we really even need SA Express? :roll:
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Re: SAX temporary grounding due fees owed to ACSA

Unread post by 131sixfive » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:18 pm

FoxTROT wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:33 am
All 3 of these routes are covered by Airlink from JNB. Which begs the question, do we really even need SA Express? :roll:
Honestly, not only do I think they are not needed, it might be better for all concerned if they bow to the inevitable as soon as possible.

All their routes except JNB- Lubumbashi have at least one and often more competing carriers that can take up the slack, if any, while providing a more reliable service. The government can try and organize a controlled closure of the company which should be better than the whole thing falling in on itself one day, despite their many sins even SAA would probably be better off without this clown show around their necks.

I feel for the staff, I was once one of them, but given the inevitable probable outcome and the conditions they are working in an end might be for the best.

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PS. This just in apparently ZS-YBW has been AOG since last week following a bird strike.
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