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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by FoxTROT » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:43 am

Makes sense, 5 A330-300’s and 4 A350’s to replace the 9 A340-600’s.
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by ERASER » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am

HAAN, sorry to say but I think the story about the MOD kits is just that, a story. SAA has no choice as per contract to keep the a/c all up to date with MODs and directives.

SNA & SNB belong to a local bank and the leases ended in Feb/Mar 18. SNC/D/F/G belong to SAA and except SND (in the hanger for maintenance) all are still flying. SNE/H/J (SNE in the hanger for maintenance) belonging to a foreign leasing company with leases running out in 2021. The lead time ordering spares are so long that the stored aircraft are being "robbed" of serviceable parts to keep the other a/c flying.

SAA is examining the possibility of converting one of the A346's into a freighter.
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by African Flyer » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:05 pm

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SAA is examining the possibility of converting one of the A346's into a freighter.
If successful, would it be a world first? Never heard of a A340 freighter ever
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by Trent772B » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:37 pm

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:05 pm
ERASER wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am
SAA is examining the possibility of converting one of the A346's into a freighter.
If successful, would it be a world first? Never heard of a A340 freighter ever
It will be a beast of a freighter.
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by ZX357 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:14 pm

African Flyer wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:05 pm
ERASER wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am
SAA is examining the possibility of converting one of the A346's into a freighter.
If successful, would it be a world first? Never heard of a A340 freighter ever
It would have just slightly less capacity and MTOW then a Boeing 777F
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by ZX357 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:20 pm

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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by trees » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:23 pm

ZX357 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:14 pm
African Flyer wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:05 pm
ERASER wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am
SAA is examining the possibility of converting one of the A346's into a freighter.
If successful, would it be a world first? Never heard of a A340 freighter ever
It would have just slightly less capacity and MTOW then a Boeing 777F
777F lifts about 20t less than an A346
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by ZX357 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:40 pm

trees wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:23 pm
ZX357 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:14 pm
African Flyer wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:05 pm
If successful, would it be a world first? Never heard of a A340 freighter ever
It would have just slightly less capacity and MTOW then a Boeing 777F
777F lifts about 20t less than an A346
Oh,ok but does it have a bigger internal volume than the A346?
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by ACE MAN » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:05 am

ZX357 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:40 pm
trees wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:23 pm
ZX357 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:14 pm


It would have just slightly less capacity and MTOW then a Boeing 777F
777F lifts about 20t less than an A346
Oh,ok but does it have a bigger internal volume than the A346?
Well I have flown a 77W HKGJNB with 370 pax and around 17T of cargo and many years ago was crew on the A346 and can’t recall the A346 lifting those figures?
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by Trent772B » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:35 am

ACE MAN wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:05 am
ZX357 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:40 pm
trees wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:23 pm


777F lifts about 20t less than an A346
Oh,ok but does it have a bigger internal volume than the A346?
Well I have flown a 77W HKGJNB with 370 pax and around 17T of cargo and many years ago was crew on the A346 and can’t recall the A346 lifting those figures?

It’s JNB outbound that counts here unfortunately. Hot n high
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by ACE MAN » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:18 am

Trent772B wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:35 am
ACE MAN wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:05 am
ZX357 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:40 pm


Oh,ok but does it have a bigger internal volume than the A346?
Well I have flown a 77W HKGJNB with 370 pax and around 17T of cargo and many years ago was crew on the A346 and can’t recall the A346 lifting those figures?
It’s JNB outbound that counts here unfortunately. Hot n high
In winter , about 2 months back I had the same pax load and about 7T cargo JNBHKG. Still never recall the A346 doing that - good luck with the A350.
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by TerryN » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:48 am

ACE,
I recall being told in a weekly CX DFO update by NR years back that the 77W and 346 payload was almost identical, with the 346 having bigger cargo holds. The significant difference being 4 eng fuel flow and 2 eng fuel flow (operating costs etal). The other huge difference being the 2nd segment out of JNB which cannot be argued - as for the 350 I cannot comment.

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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by ACE MAN » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:13 am

Here is a B77W take off data carrying 44-46 odd Tons of payload on a typical summers day out of JNB. I don’t have a comparable A346 figures. I would think payload May be similar , seats however on the A346 was 298(?) and the 77W is 367 .
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by African Flyer » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:59 pm

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Interesting article but is from 2012 :? . So I assume this company probably isn't persuing this idea anymore. I could be wrong.

As for a A340-300 freighter, I don't see the point of one considering there's the A330F.

A A350-900F could probably work. Does anyone think it would take market share away from the A330F ?
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Re: SAA A340-600 stored

Unread post by evanb » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:27 pm

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Interesting article but is from 2012 :? . So I assume this company probably isn't persuing this idea anymore. I could be wrong.

As for a A340-300 freighter, I don't see the point of one considering there's the A330F.

A A350-900F could probably work. Does anyone think it would take market share away from the A330F ?
Yeah, it's 7 plus years ago and they still have not built one. The advantage of a A340-300 or -600 as a freighter is the low residual values of the aircraft. For airlines like SAA who own a bunch outright and have depreciated them to zero and who have little hope of selling them for much, it's a much cheaper option than acquiring a relatively new A330F.

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