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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by angelwings » Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:31 pm

southside wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:40 pm
I don’t know how to post a link here, but if you Google Kulula near miss with DC3 you will find an article of a TCAS event at Lanseria. Perhaps someone can upload the link.

I wonder if this is a contributing factor to CAA grounding them.

I am also very curious to know if this grounding is genuinely warranted, or if CAA are being their usual incompetent selves.
When the accountable manager (CEO in this case) stripped the Compliance and QA departments at Comair to the bone to save money, the deck got stacked. When CAA warned and he chose to ignore, he chose the slippery slope. All that was needed to make it all fall down were two air turn-backs.

This is not politics or conspiracy. This is the result of arrogant management.

He got exactly what he deserved.

My sympathy for his loyal and hard working staff. They don't deserve this.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by @jb » Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:58 am

Just wonder where is the investors in all of this.Are they happy with what the ceo did .Did they tell him to cut to the bone.No response from them.Their people have been through hell the last 2 years losing homes and lots of crew got sick and some even lost medicals.This has really become a crap way to earn a living my kids will definitely never become pilots.As a captain with over 15000 hrs I can honestly say this is a terrible job use don't use it.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by Volo » Wed Mar 16, 2022 6:47 am

The regulator does not understand its role when it comes to safety . By all accounts this morning Kulula et al will be back in the air shortly.
The CAAs reason for grounding the airline is a lapse in their safety systems that is so severe that the CAAs actions threaten the very existence of the airline but " hey presto " few days later its all fixed .
This does not add up- this is a total abuse of their powers .
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by Volo » Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:30 am

Just been watching CAA spokesperson explaining that Kulula et al are finally filling in their forms properly or words to that effect and the Director might be allowing them to take to the air again either today or tomorrow.
The CAA have caused a commercial horror show for the airline for no good reason with no consequences for themselves or repercussions if they were wrong or overreaching their authority.
The CAA did not establish in their actions that the engine failures which led to their grounding was the result of poor maintenance so it appears the grounding was based solely on their SMS documentation - pathetic .
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by jimdavis » Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:39 am

Much as I hate to say this, I suspect that when the dust has settled, we may find that the CAA's actions were justified.

Certainly their timing is questionable.

Safety is really not negotiable. So if this makes everyone wake up and comply to the letter of the law, then I have to support it.

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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by FAKRMike » Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:43 am

Is there any business logic or risk etc around not giving full refunds to clients that booked flights. They say they will hold the value as credit for clients to book another flight but in the cases of some, they needed the money to book on a different carrier.

Just wondering if there is a proper reason for not refunding?
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by Glenn L » Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:51 am

FAKRMike wrote:
Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:43 am
Is there any business logic or risk etc around not giving full refunds to clients that booked flights. They say they will hold the value as credit for clients to book another flight but in the cases of some, they needed the money to book on a different carrier.

Just wondering if there is a proper reason for not refunding?
I suspect cash flow is the most obvious reason. We've lost 3 return flight bookings this week (CT - Lanseria) with no refund and have had to pay much more to book on other airlines. By the way, Lift was the best option, but we incurred extra costs transporting people to ORTIA.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by flypiper » Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:49 pm

Hi all,

Just heard that Comair is back on line.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:51 pm

British Airways (operated by Comair) and kulula.com flights will start operating again tomorrow following the South African Civil Aviation Authority (SACAA) reinstating Comair’s Air Operators’ Certificate.

Our focus is to get our operations back to normal as quickly as possible and schedules will therefore be restored in a phased manner.

Customers are advised to check the schedules on the airlines’ websites before coming to the airport
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by Ray W » Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:04 pm

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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by 0031003 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:12 am

The heading of the Media Statement led me to believe that the CAA sent somebody over to Comair to fetch Comair's Air Operator Certificate.

O well, I suppose English is not the writer's first language.
Neither is it mine.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by GL » Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:37 am

Our CAA seems very trigger happy and quick to ground airlines.
Does anyone have any comparative numbers as to aviation regulators around the world propensity to ground airlines?
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by Bearcat » Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:49 am

GL wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:37 am
Our CAA seems very trigger happy and quick to ground airlines.
Does anyone have any comparative numbers as to aviation regulators around the world propensity to ground airlines?
When they themselves could not even keep their one and only aircraft ..ZS-CAR compliant #-o
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA

Unread post by bucky_za » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:06 am

So, Was any major remedial action deemed necessary ?

To me it reads that Comair had to prove they are safety compliant which they did, and to put in place measures to prevent future safety issues.
Surely if they were already compliant, that should have prevented issues in the first place, or were the issues not within their control ?

This certainly does seem to have been an overly hasty and poorly timed grounding, which leads one to start speculating as to its true intentions.

However, as a regular passenger that has always felt quite safe flying with them,(Not to happy about on time performance lately, is that a safety red flag ?)) I would like to see some clear communication as to the cause of the "spate of issues" as the press likes to call it, this would go a long way in restoring passenger confidence.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Volo » Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Lets speculate on the course of events at CAA -perhaps it went something like this .

Second Neddy - Their engines are blowing up .Perhaps we should go down there and see what they are doing for this to be happening .

Chief Neddy - Nah lets just shut them down for a while and teach them a lesson and then we will go down there and see what they are up to.

Second Neddy - But isn't that a little harsh . Maybe there's nothing wrong and we will be embarrassed that we caused so much s***t

Chief Neddy - When are you going to learn that we never pay a price for being wrong . We just reinstate them and they are so grateful they even thank
us.
Second Neddy - But everyone will know that we overreacted and may even suspect that we were encouraged by others to do this .

Chief Neddy - So -Whats your point ?
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