And In The News Today...! Update 1

Unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone and also referred to as an unpiloted aerial vehicle and a remotely piloted aircraft (RPA) by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), is an aircraft without a human pilot aboard.

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Re: And In The News Today...!

Unread post by heisan » Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:08 pm

danie.e wrote:Justin,

If what you say is correct, then SAMAA has for more than 40 years been a farce as well as it being appointed by the aeroclub to represent and reulate recreational use of model aircraft.
So its existence starting with the aeroclub, CAAA, whatever.

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Re: And In The News Today...!

Unread post by danie.e » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:51 pm

heisan wrote:
SteveJay wrote:This really bothers me. Whatever our individual interpretations may be and how accurate they may be, the article referred to definitely includes RC airplanes, fixed and rotary wing:

UAS are classified as any aircraft that can fly without a pilot on board. They come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and can be controlled remotely by an individual on the ground, in another aircraft or through an on board computer system.

I can see a member of our finest arrive at a RC field and arrest people. Better the status of SAMAA approved fields is discussed and resolved (in the press). The CAA knows about this but the local constabulary does not.
The ramblings of the political appointees does not matter - only the legal definition, as posted above. Note that this makes no distinction for line of site operation. The only distinction is a 5kg limit for 'free flight' (not radio or line controlled) aircraft (in CATS24).
Your own comment: "only the legal definition, as posted above"
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Re: And In The News Today...!

Unread post by Klaas » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:55 pm

M.a.w. Danie was so bietjie sarkasties teenoor jou oor wat jy gesê het. :)
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Unread post by Klaas » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:58 pm

the law is clear on where and what you can fly , no higher than 50ft
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Unread post by heisan » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:00 pm

danie.e wrote:Your own comment: "only the legal definition, as posted above"
This is the legal definition:
“model aircraft” means a heavier-than-air aircraft of limited dimensions, with or without a
propulsion device, unable to carry a human being and to be used for competition, sport or
recreational purposes rather than unmanned aeronautical vehicles (UAV) developed for
commercial or governmental, scientific, research or military purposes, and not exceeding the
specifications as set by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale as listed in Document SA-
CATS 24;
How could that mean that SAMAA is a farce?
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Unread post by Klaas » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:09 pm

Na die vorige gesprek waarna Danie verwys, kyk wat is op bladsy 2 van die SAMAA tydskryf:
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Re: And In The News Today...!

Unread post by SteveJay » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:19 am

Most of the above is valid, but really only applicable in a 1st world environment. We have seen the SAPS arrive after an alarm call by ADT and arrest the owner of the house that was being burgled - and let the robber walk off. The robber said that the owner had assaulted him. In fact the owner arrived together with the same police.

Now, lets see you explain all of the above to one of these dedicated and upright members of the force when they arrive at the park /school rugby field /open field or even a registered RC field to arrest you.

Sure, everything will be sorted out later / tomorrow (unless it is Friday afternoon) but you get to spend a night (or three) in jail. In this country that is not where you wanna be.

SAMMA and the CAA need to have a beer together some time and put something on paper that we can have on hand.
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Unread post by Vesparado » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:05 am

I say,Fly It like you stole it!
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Re: And In The News Today...! Update 1

Unread post by stompie » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:09 am

I agree with most of the last comments of that article.
Officials have been asleep,not keeping up with technology and not accommodating by placing clear regulations.If you read what regulations are in place for rc grade aircraft,it sounds like it just got slapped together without giving it much thought.Now all of a sudden,our "toys" are regarded as lethal weapons to be used to destroy the country.
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Re: And In The News Today...! Update 1

Unread post by Wayne01 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:57 am

The human brain is not capable of hindsight before an incident occurs, the uav phenomena has taken the world by storm catching authorities all over the world by surprise. There is a lot more involved than just a few definitions, there is legal framework that needs to be set up, in fact the authorities have been very proactive in discussions, the uav industry is in talks with authorities, my suggestion is if you are a uav operator join the association posted above. They have clear insight into what can and cant be done, operating a uav is not illegal, but like there are rules for the road there are rules and restrictions for uav use. Flying over people may or may not be legal I'm not sure but endangering people is.

Give the authorities a break, do we want people placing new regulations on us whenever they see an opportunity arising, how do you develop regs for an industry still in its infancy without needing to change it later, first there was fpv, then multirotors and finally autonomous and its not the end yet.
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Re: And In The News Today...! Update 1

Unread post by Klaas » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:36 pm

10/1 net 'n privaat ou sin, maar dit maak sommige mense nogal senuagtig.


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Re: And In The News Today...! Update 1

Unread post by stompie » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:28 am

Klaas that article had the tears rolling from my eyes.

Can our rc planes,quades and helis be regarded as UAV's?
Well yes,even rc cars were used in Iraq to disarm bombs and recon.However the majority is line of sight.
When UAV is considered in the context of operating out of line of sight,the rules imo should change even for recreational
and private professional purposes.What goes up,must come down,and many times down means crash.A UAV crashing into something
or someone several km from the operator or base/location from where it took off is something not to be taken lightly where
as most of us operate our rc "UAV's" in a controlled environment such as a club.I think the authorities or organisations that
will setup the rules and regulations at the end of the day should take the difference of "line of sight" and "operatorless"(for lack of better wording)
UAV into consideration.Or rather that is my hope.
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Re: And In The News Today...! Update 1

Unread post by jlr » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:27 am

Will drones become the future of farming?

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2014010 ... ld-to-farm

We always look at the "bad" side of these drones, but in a few years form now "drones can be seen as farm equipment". Yes it can hurt or kill but it can do some much good as well!


I also think legislation must be in place but must not restrict the usage and progression of this technology.
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Re: And In The News Today...! Update 1

Unread post by Vesparado » Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:47 am

jlr wrote:Will drones become the future of farming?

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2014010 ... ld-to-farm

We always look at the "bad" side of these drones, but in a few years form now "drones can be seen as farm equipment". Yes it can hurt or kill but it can do some much good as well!


I also think legislation must be in place but must not restrict the usage and progression of this technology.
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Re: And In The News Today...! Update 1

Unread post by jlr » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:24 am

Yemen Drone kills 9 suspected al-Qaeda fighters

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Yemen- ... s-20140419

The US is the only country that operates drones in Yemen, but officials rarely discuss the covert programme.
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