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Unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone and also referred to as an unpiloted aerial vehicle and a remotely piloted aircraft (RPA) by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), is an aircraft without a human pilot aboard.

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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Mike Brews » Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:14 pm

Hi All,
The 400ft limit has been approved for all the clubs published in the South African Aeronautical Publication under the section ENR 5.5. Here you will find each club registered with SAMAA with its restrictions as decreed by the Director of Civil Aviation.

The matter of drones, UAS etc starts off in the CARS with CAR 24 which describes what a non-type certified aircraft is. The way to this legislation is :
bring up the SA CAA site http://www.caa.co.za . For those who do not know this site, here is the one click :roll: method on how to find the information.
there is a tab at the bottom right of centre that is Legislation:
Click here and you are taken to the Regs.
Click on CAA regs for 2011 (second from the bottom)
Click CAR 24 and then read up on Applicability 24.01.01 (2) (k) model aircraft. Then read further down on Airworthiness 24.01.02 (1) which exempts (k) model aircraft and (l) rockets.

Now go to the CATS Section and click on CATS 24 and 24.01.2 (14) refers you to the acceptance by the SA CAA of the FAI standards as defined in:
http://www.fai.org/downloads/ciam/SC4_Vol_ABR_2014.

This standard will be updated faster than our legislation so as long as SA CAR/CATS 24 refers to the FAI standard and we comply with that standard, your SAMAA insurance will cover you as you are within the rules. The SAMAA MOPs are based on these standards.

Read up from page 71.

As has been stated before, stay within the rules, read up on the SAMAA Manual of Procedures. If you want a temporary height extension, contact Bob Skinner at the SAMAA office and he will help you with the paperwork. Remember we fall under RAASA for recreational flying. SAMAA is an amateur association so the association is unable to speak on behalf of anyone who would be operating a model for commercial gain. Strictly Part 91 operations for those of you also flying full size.

Happy reading, fly safe and have fun,

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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by phoebus7 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:57 pm

Hi Mike

Thank you for a level headed post.
please point me in the direction of "the South African Aeronautical Publication under the section ENR 5.5".

FPV must therefore be at a saama site within sight of the pilot and under 400 feet?

What about park flying?

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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Gerrit Loubser » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:55 pm

Mike Brews wrote:Hi All,
The 400ft limit has been approved for all the clubs published in the South African Aeronautical Publication under the section ENR 5.5.
Mike, are there any clubs that have approved altitude limits higher than 400 ft for gliders as contemplated in the SAMAA Model Aircraft Safety Code?
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Unread post by Gerrit Loubser » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:59 pm

phoebus7 wrote:What about park flying?
I would imagine that park flying (at non SAMAA registered flying sites) would be legal if the models are flown below 150 ft above ground level?
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Unread post by Klaas » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:03 pm

Hier is 'n ou lys. BL moet dit nog opdateer.
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Unread post by jlr » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:41 am

"Market value of drones over the next 10 years estimated at $98Billion"

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Unread post by Klaas » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:55 am

Ek wonder wat het van die goeie ou Miljard geword?
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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Mike Brews » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:49 pm

Hi Gerrit and other RC flyers
I am on my tablet but will post the AIP ENR 5.5 when I get to my laptop later. I scanned the section from the latest AIP so its as up dated as you can get.
About glider sites having a higher threshold, please check with the clubs themselves. Klaas's pdf is much easier to read than my pdf so use both for reference. The SAMAA site will give you information on who to contact at the various clubs.

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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Gerrit Loubser » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:27 pm

Thanks Mike. :smt023
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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Mike Brews » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:27 pm

Hi Fellow Flyers
Here is the scanned in copy of the SA AIP. It is not an online document so I am unable to give you a link. The SA CAA registered SAMAA Club fields start from ENR 5.5 - 9.
You will either have to read sideways or rotate the page if you do not want a stiff neck :lol:
Scanned-image-1.pdf
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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Chrisvn » Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:45 pm

Thanks Mike

In the doc that Klaas attached there is reference to the following, are there any more detail in par 5.5.3 determining height at (glider) clubs than the list of model clubs ?

"" Gold colour = as per CAA 5.5.3a. Limited to 400ft, - Operations strictly according to SAMAA Operating Manual PR19
• Blue colour = as per CAA 5.5.3b. All operations subject to Defence Force permission and regulations
• Purple colour = as per CAA 5.5.3c. Occasional temporary height permission to 1 000ft AGL, according to SAMAA Operations Manual PR16
• Green colour = as per CAA 5.5.3d. Occasional temporary height permission to 2 200ft AGL, according to SAMAA Operations Manual PR16
• Light green colour = Slope soaring, indoor, and park flying sites.""

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Unread post by Mike Brews » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:52 pm

Hi Chris
I'll check the AIP tomorrow and scan all the notes and post them.

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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Dean » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:14 am

8) :D 8)
No ban on drones issued: Sac 04-6-2014

Pretoria - No specific notice or regulation to ban unmanned aircraft systems (UAS), also popularly known as drones, has been issued by the South African Civil Aviation Authority (Sacaa). In a statement on Tuesday, Sacaa said reports that suggest that Sacaa has recently issued a notice banning UAS systems, specifically in the film industry, were inaccurate. However, Sacaa is working on the integration of drones into the South African airspace.
“Sacaa has never issued any specific notice or regulation banning the use of unmanned aircraft systems. The current Civil Aviation Regulations prescribe specific requirements for operating an aircraft in the South African airspace. To date, no UAS has been able to comply with these requirements,” said Sacaa spokesperson Kabelo Ledwaba.
Media reports last week claimed that the use of flying drones with mounted cameras has been banned with immediate effect by Sacaa. Sacaa is cognizant of the urgent need and demand for UAS implementation. “It is for this reason that Sacaa has allocated the necessary resources to the UAS program to ensure a speedy integration of this type of aircraft into the South African airspace. In addition, Sacaa is currently compiling an interim guidance document as a provisional solution to enable restricted operational approval on a case-by-case basis, until maturity is attained by both the industry and Sacaa,” said Ledwaba.
Progress on this front has been made, with the document expected to be ready before the end of the current financial year (i.e. 31 March 2015). “Engagement with industry representatives will continue and Sacaa remains receptive to any input from role players,” Ledwaba said.
Sacaa additionally has given no authority to any organization or government entity to operate drones. “Those that are flying any type of unmanned aircraft are doing so illegally. The current civil aviation regulations mandate the SACAA to ensure safety and security in relation to any flying activities in the Republic,” said Ledwaba. Last month, the authority had issued a statement about the illegality of flying drones. Sacaa also noted that the statement also attracted a negative response, as security concerns were reduced to a debate on drones and toys that generally do not require any operating permission.mSacaa has the mandate to ensure aviation safety and security for all South Africans.
Ledwaba said that Sacaa is committed to the development of the country’s aviation sector, especially the UAS sector, which is a relatively new component of the civil aviation framework. “This constitutes a relatively new component of the civil aviation framework, one which the Sacaa - together with civil aviation authorities worldwide and under the guidance of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) - is working to understand, define and ultimately integrate into the civil aviation sector.
”South Africa is a signatory state of ICAO, a United Nations body, and has invested heavily - through active involvement in the ICAO Unmanned Aircraft Systems Study Group - to develop guidance material and standards to guide contracting states in the development of their national guidance material and regulations. ICAO is working towards providing a regulatory framework through Standards and Recommended Practices (SARPs), with supporting Procedures for Air Navigation Services (PANS) and guidance material, to underpin the routine operation of UAS in a safe, harmonized and seamless manner comparable to that of manned operations.
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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Club of One » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:42 am

Business as usual, wait for the next thrilling episode. #-o

Dean's posting was very informative, however, if we have to wait until 2015 for the next report/feedback, how many more of these craft are going to be out there and up in the sky.
My take on trying to regulate/ban this is almost like asking everyone to give up their cel phones or uninvent the wheel.
Come on - we are living in the 21st century.

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Re: Flying camera drones banned

Unread post by Dean » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:04 am

All laws need to be enforced properly and correctly :o
BUT will it ever happen in SA is the real question :roll:
Even if the laws are clear and drones are banned who is going to police it :?
And what about the 10 year old kid flying his fleamarket toy, will he or she win a trip to the neighbourhood police station. 8-[
I doubt anything will ever happen, wost case you'll be banned from residential and industrial areas. 8)
And then again will it ever be enforced and by who #-o
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