Turns out drones aren't banned

Unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone and also referred to as an unpiloted aerial vehicle and a remotely piloted aircraft (RPA) by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), is an aircraft without a human pilot aboard.

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Turns out drones aren't banned

Unread post by kev0 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:42 am

http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2014/06/11/b ... th-africa/
After two days trying to get a response from the South African Civil Aviation Authority, it is clear why there has been so much confusion with the media’s interpretation of their communications. Finally we have an answer.

It turns out drones ARE NOT BANNED, as was reported.

2oceansvibe eventually managed to get a reply from their Communications Manager, Kabelo Ledwaba, who explained they had a conference of sorts, which is why it took so long to respond. I asked him if it was not the responsibility of the Communications Manager to respond to clear questions, timeously. He then asked me to refrain from making personal attacks. Which, as with their media statements up until this point, I don’t quite understand.

Nonetheless, it seems that there is absolutely ZERO law right now and it doesn’t look like there will be, until around March 2015. The most they have asked for is that the general public “err on the side of caution.”

My questions were:

1) Am I breaking the law if I fly a UAS on my land?

2) Would the altitude I fly it at (on private land) impact the legality?

This is what we eventually got from the SACAA.

Currently there are no regulations in place to enable and regulate operations of UAS in South African civil airspace. In accordance with the Civil Aviation Act, 2009 (Act No. 13, of 2009).

The SACAA would once more like to reiterate that currently there are no guidelines or regulations that can help define and as such regulate the use of unmanned aircraft systems. This is a concern that the organisation is working towards addressing as soon as possible. Further, the SACAA has made an undertaking to have an interim guidance document as a provisional solution to enable restricted operational approval of UAS on a case-by-case basis until regulations are in place. It is envisaged that the interim document will be completed before 31 March 2015, or sooner.

The interim document in question will address most of the issues that have been rasied (sic) not only in south Africa, but are under consideration globally, for instance by the ICAO UASSG, and other international bodies. The SACAA is part of this ICAO Work Group.

In the meantime, the Regulator appeals to all stakeholders to err on the side of caution rather than risk unintended aviation disasters. Notwithstanding, we remain receptive to ideas that would contribute to the rapid development of a widely accepted regulatory framework.

So there you go. You can fly your drones wherever you want.

But please, do err on the side of caution.

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Unread post by heisan » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:13 pm

Whoever wrote that article should be shot. Perhaps the CAA communications manager too, as he is really not answering clearly.

The previous press release was much clearer:

"The current Civil Aviation Regulations prescribe specific requirements for operating an aircraft in the South African airspace. To date, no UAS has been able to comply with these requirements. It should also be noted that the SACAA has not given any concession or approval to any organisation, individual, institution or government entity to operate UAS within the civil aviation airspace. Those that are flying any type of unmanned aircraft are doing so illegally."

The lack of UAS regulations does not mean you can legally fly them - it mean you need to comply with the full NTCA regulations before you can fly them legally.
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Unread post by Roger » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:14 pm

Think you may need to read this to have some context:
http://www.avcom.co.za/aerocont/?p=660

CAA have tried to correct the misconceptions through the above press release, but now the likes of 2oceans are helping perpetuate the issue by twisting CAAs words.
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Unread post by nrm » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:16 pm

The first time there is an accident, the brown stuff will hit the fan. If there are injuries, the number of buckets will increase exponentially.
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Unread post by jimdavis » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:52 pm

I read it as CAA is waiting for some other country to come up with the regs, so they can copy and paste for SA.

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Unread post by dany » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:55 pm

One serious accident already. Film company keeps it under tight wrap as it happened in their backyard in the film mecca in WOODSTOCK CAPE TOWN.
2 weeks ago. Nobody talks,but some serious injury to such a extend,one lady might loose her arm, apperantly she is not working for the company,but related to the camera man/pilot. This specific machine got serious blades,in total 1.2 meters long. Slim alloy frame in the shape of a robins helicopter. It since vanished. Doors was locked for three days of this group. No cellphone,no talking to anybody.
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Unread post by nrm » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:03 pm

Company here wanting to go commercial and offer training etc. I have offered to write the laws as I think they should be as a start, but no takers. CAA will not create anything on their own, unlikely they know how.
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Unread post by nrm » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:04 pm

Then you should report what you know to CAA. Whether they will do anything about it remains to be seen.
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Unread post by dany » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:30 pm

Accident happened in one of the large warehouses the company owns. Private property and under roof.No peace in paradys as those involve is on contract for a mayor documentary coming up. Contracts signed and now the lawyers are sharpening their knives.
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Unread post by jimdavis » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:36 pm

What's South Africa coming to when you can't dismember people under your own roof?

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Unread post by heisan » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:39 pm

dany wrote:Accident happened in one of the large warehouses the company owns. Private property and under roof.No peace in paradys as those involve is on contract for a mayor documentary coming up. Contracts signed and now the lawyers are sharpening their knives.
Ah - that is different. CAA is willing to concede that indoors does not constitute civil airspace - so they don't care about UAV ops indoors ;) .
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Unread post by GeraldNagel » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:22 pm

dany wrote,

[quote]One serious accident already. Film company keeps it under tight wrap as it happened in their backyard in the film mecca in WOODSTOCK CAPE TOWN.
2 weeks ago. Nobody talks,but some serious injury to such a extend,one lady might loose her arm, apperantly she is not working for the company,but related to the camera man/pilot. This specific machine got serious blades,in total 1.2 meters long. Slim alloy frame in the shape of a robins helicopter. It since vanished. Doors was locked for three days of this group. No cellphone,no talking to anybody./quote]

If I read this correctly a RC helicopter is referred to.

The drones that are utilised with a camera have four motors. Just imagine the size of the unit with four 1.5 meter props.
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Unread post by dany » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:34 pm

Not really a RC helicopter. Lets say its a cross breed. Full telemetry and payload quite heavy. One stills camera, and one with video,with zoom facality and hd. It since dissappear. Will try get photo,s of it before the accident.. Rumour got it,it was built locally for them at huge cost.
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Unread post by Superfueler » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:57 pm

Nothing stays secret in Cape Town. Whatever happened if it happened will come to light . Poor Girl (if true)
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Unread post by Superfueler » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:58 pm

heisan wrote:Whoever wrote that article should be shot. Perhaps the CAA communications manager too, as he is really not answering clearly.

The previous press release was much clearer:

"The current Civil Aviation Regulations prescribe specific requirements for operating an aircraft in the South African airspace. To date, no UAS has been able to comply with these requirements. It should also be noted that the SACAA has not given any concession or approval to any organisation, individual, institution or government entity to operate UAS within the civil aviation airspace. Those that are flying any type of unmanned aircraft are doing so illegally."

The lack of UAS regulations does not mean you can legally fly them - it mean you need to comply with the full NTCA regulations before you can fly them legally.

So whats your agenda?

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