Help with ROC, ASL, Ops Manuals etc.

Unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone and also referred to as an unpiloted aerial vehicle and a remotely piloted aircraft (RPA) by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), is an aircraft without a human pilot aboard.

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Help with ROC, ASL, Ops Manuals etc.

Unread post by Chopperone » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:29 pm

Can anybody recommend a company that can help with the list above? I would prefer an experienced and well established company rather than an individual. We would need someone to do all of the above and guide us through the complexed and lengthy process. We have been burned by our previous handler, a Mr Mike Stander as posted here below. He walked off with a large chunk of our cash without producing anything. Any recommendations/ personal experience/ people to avoid would be most welcome. Feel free to message or post here.

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Re: Help with ROC, ASL, Ops Manuals etc.

Unread post by Tomahawk_Tom » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:19 pm

Hi Matthew,

Sorry to hear about your dealings with Mr Mike. He actually gave me a course at Cranfield.

Regarding someone who could help your case, I would suggest Rob Somers at 22 Degrees South. He helped up through everything that you need plus more.

Hope that helps.

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Unread post by Chopperone » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:32 pm

Thanks Tom. Cranfield was also where we met up with slippery Mike (though they are not to blame, they are also looking out for him). Thanks for the recommendation, I will give him a call. Did they set up a drone operation for you, or something else? Thanks again.

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Unread post by Tomahawk_Tom » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:26 am

Hi M,

Yes, he helped us set up our ROC, from start to finish. Including all relevant certification. And yes, we are an RPAS company.

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Unread post by Chopperone » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:24 pm

Thanks again.
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Re: Help with ROC, ASL, Ops Manuals etc.

Unread post by edwoodza » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:00 am

Yeah sadly you not alone we got burned by Promaneg who took money and then shut up before we were approved.
They were also our QM and QM people so cost us another R12k to change ASL as well.

My advise to do it cost effectively.
1. Don't seperate drones from aviation
2. get someone experienced in running charter and similar organizations
3. get a Quality and Safety manager who does aviation, call your local flight clubs and schools and ask who does their QM and SM as they will speak the same language as CAA
4. study part 101 solidly. BUT dont read it in isolation
5. Read all the other areas of airlaw and mark sections that you think even remotely applicable
6. write your owm drawing on 4 and 5 and show you you mitigate risks in ops
7. OM focus on the human idiot factor and how you plan for the idiot (pilot or others) and reduce risk
8. follow the rules and embrace the CAA suck
9. avoid bitching at CAA to much cause it will not get you anywhere
10. die a little inside as you are forced to deal with CAA delays and annoyances (welcome to aviation)

Doing it yourself is NOT impossible if you are prepared to spend alot of time on it and work with people already in aviation.

We did it in the end. The consultant Promaneg manual was a POS and we re wrote majority of it.
And we got it passed and approved 1st try BECAUSE it was practical, showed active problem solving and avoidance thinking and was inline with part 101 and other airlaw requirements.

REMEMBER DRONES ARE AVIATION AND NEED TO BE VIEWED AS SUCH AND NOT SEPARATE!
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Unread post by Chopperone » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:53 am

Good advice, thanks. You have your ROC? If yes how long did it take in total?
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Re: Help with ROC, ASL, Ops Manuals etc.

Unread post by edwoodza » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:23 am

Just had caa here. My advice
run for the hills, save you money, don't waste your time.
Being legal ROC operator you cant compete costs wise with the illegals.
So until CAA actively polices illegal drone operations the formal industry is dead, regulated to death with illegals making all the money.

After 2.5 years in the meat grinder am about to throw in the towel.
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