Procedure for IF approach in marginal/full IMC?

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Procedure for IF approach in marginal/full IMC?

Unread post by Hop Harrigan » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:20 pm

A question please...
When flying to a controlled airport under IFR and in marginal to full IMC, who decides if the approach will be IF or Visual? Do I have to request the IF approach or will it be assigned by default? Does the approach need to be requested on the FPL? And, if there is more than one IF approach option (RNAV or ILS), who assigns the approach or do I have to request my preference?
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Re: Procedure for IF approach in marginal/full IMC?

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:39 pm

Well if the zone is IMC with base close to decision Alt then perhaps the controller might have an issue with you going visual because you then become responsible for your own separation and could end up as a lost fart in a bubble bath. And this is why you "request" visual.

Then with regards to the rest, take into account available equipment on board and also AC type.

Just because you have the runway visual now does not mean it will remain that way if IMC.

Yes you have to note flight rule on the FP but not approach type.

If the flight is IFR and base well above decision Alt in my experience the controller will have no issue in clearing the visual approach when 5miles out or closer depending on what you are flying.
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Re: Procedure for IF approach in marginal/full IMC?

Unread post by MemyselfandI » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:35 pm

On first contact you should receive the standard R/T joining info, ie; C on the ATIS, ILS app to 06 1025 report for descent. If you can't fly that approach or want a different one, you ask for it.
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Re: Procedure for IF approach in marginal/full IMC?

Unread post by Hop Harrigan » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:00 pm

Thanks guys,
Reason I’m asking is that I prefer using the IF approach by default whether it’s IMC or VMC. Mainly because I like to keep in practice but also to stay legal wrt my IF approaches.
However, while the airlines are automatically receiving IF approach clearances at ORT, I’m left begging for an IF approach at FALA most of the time
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Re: Procedure for IF approach in marginal/full IMC?

Unread post by abezzi » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:19 am

The other night flying to FALE that was OVC1500 BKN003 Joburg Area asked us if we were able to fly a RNAV APP for Rwy 24 (PC12), so I believe that the controller on duty knew that not all PC12 and/or pilots are qualified for RNAV approaches and he wanted to be sure before change us to Durban APP!
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Re: Procedure for IF approach in marginal/full IMC?

Unread post by Iceberg » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:59 am

Hop Harrigan wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:00 pm
Thanks guys,
Reason I’m asking is that I prefer using the IF approach by default whether it’s IMC or VMC. Mainly because I like to keep in practice but also to stay legal wrt my IF approaches.
However, while the airlines are automatically receiving IF approach clearances at ORT, I’m left begging for an IF approach at FALA most of the time
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What I often do is wait for an IMC day. Then I wring my hands in glee! Going flying with minimal delays at the airport.
Seriously, I then file an IF flight plan to a nearby beacon, do some holds and return to the airport for the approach. All in proper IMC, alone.
Sometimes I do FAWB - FALA (ILS) and back to FAWB for the NDB. Two approaches done - current etc. :D
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Re: Procedure for IF approach in marginal/full IMC?

Unread post by TxT » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:42 pm

Hop Harrigan wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:00 pm
Thanks guys,
Reason I’m asking is that I prefer using the IF approach by default whether it’s IMC or VMC. Mainly because I like to keep in practice but also to stay legal wrt my IF approaches.
However, while the airlines are automatically receiving IF approach clearances at ORT, I’m left begging for an IF approach at FALA most of the time
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Only saw this thread now.

Not mentioned yet:

When a Visual Approach may be authorised: Doc 4444 states:

6.5.3.3 An IFR flight may be cleared to execute a visual approach provided the pilot can maintain visual reference to the terrain and:

a) the reported ceiling is at or above the approved initial approach level for the aircraft so cleared; or
b) the pilot reports at the initial approach level or at any time during the instrument approach procedure that the meteorological conditions are such that with reasonable assurance a visual approach and landing can be completed.

6.5.3.4 Separation shall be provided between an aircraft cleared to execute a visual approach and other arriving and departing aircraft.

and...

8.9.5.1 The radar controller may initiate radar vectoring of an aircraft for visual approach provided the reported ceiling is above the minimum altitude applicable to radar vectoring and meteorological conditions are such that, with reasonable assurance, a visual approach and landing can be completed.

8.9.5.2 Clearance for visual approach shall be issued only after the pilot has reported the aerodrome or the preceding aircraft in sight, at which time radar vectoring would normally be terminated.

In short, you have to request the "visual" if the above conditions are met. ATC will approve (grant) the visual if you confirm visual contact with the aerodrome (field in sight) or preceding traffic and they can accommodate the shorter approach path. Your IFR status is maintained.

If Lanseria cleared you for a visual on an IFR plan without you requesting it, they are in breach of regulations AFAIK. I suggest you phone them.

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