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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by Bearcat » Fri May 26, 2017 9:05 pm

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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by flying dutchman » Mon May 29, 2017 5:03 pm

These Gazelles seem like a nice option as a private heli as most of these are used...
Does anyone have any personal experience with the in terms of owning costs, ease of flying etc etc and how does it compare to say a Jetty or a R66?
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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by Tim » Mon May 29, 2017 6:05 pm

flying dutchman wrote:These Gazelles seem like a nice option as a private heli as most of these are used...
Does anyone have any personal experience with the in terms of owning costs, ease of flying etc etc and how does it compare to say a Jetty or a R66?
Yes, indeed! Only that they don't have aircon, and if something goes wrong, or any part (head, turbine, etc.) hits the time limit, overhaul cost is measured in millions of Rands.
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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by Whirly » Tue May 30, 2017 9:19 am

Tim wrote:
flying dutchman wrote:These Gazelles seem like a nice option as a private heli as most of these are used...
Does anyone have any personal experience with the in terms of owning costs, ease of flying etc etc and how does it compare to say a Jetty or a R66?
Yes, indeed! Only that they don't have aircon, and if something goes wrong, or any part (head, turbine, etc.) hits the time limit, overhaul cost is measured in millions of Rands.
Is that not the same for a Jetty or R66? :?

Also remember they are NTCA, so no calendar items like on a Jetty or Robinson.

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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by Pieter Roux » Tue May 30, 2017 12:30 pm

Hi all

Can a Gazelle fly on normal paraffin and is it legal

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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by Tim » Tue May 30, 2017 11:11 pm

Whirly wrote:Is that not the same for a Jetty or R66? :?
No, the R66 has aircon.
Also remember they are NTCA, so no calendar items like on a Jetty or Robinson.

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The Jettie has T-straps that are calendar items if I am not mistaken. A Gazelle needs to be stripped down, the airframe x-rayed, and then put back together and repainted, every twelve years, I was told. Even the Guimbal Cabri G2 has one part (only) that is calendar life limited (the bladder tanks) and you have to do some 12-year work on the Lycoming engine.
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Unread post by Tim » Tue May 30, 2017 11:23 pm

Pieter Roux wrote:Can a Gazelle fly on normal paraffin and is it legal
The list of authorized fuels (mostly without restrictions, some with restrictions) is remarkably long: it goes over two pages in the Flight Manual. There is says "Parafin (illuminating oil), Nato Symbol F58" can be used, but not at OAT below -15 deg C.

To me that means it is legal. If in doubt, ask the experts at Warbirds, Wonderboom.
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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by hugo_visser » Wed May 31, 2017 8:00 am

I think Whirly meant that if a R 66 gearbox or turbine went unservisable it would also cost in the millions of rands.

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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by lodge » Wed May 31, 2017 8:20 am

I remember for gazelle flights fondly,all those years back.
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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by lodge » Wed May 31, 2017 8:22 am

RZR looks very smart indeed. :D
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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by Whirly » Wed May 31, 2017 9:31 am

hugo_visser wrote:I think Whirly meant that if a R 66 gearbox or turbine went unservisable it would also cost in the millions of rands.

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Thanks Hugo, exactly.

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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by Whirly » Wed May 31, 2017 10:14 am

Tim wrote:
Whirly wrote:Is that not the same for a Jetty or R66? :?
No, the R66 has aircon.
Also remember they are NTCA, so no calendar items like on a Jetty or Robinson.

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The Jettie has T-straps that are calendar items if I am not mistaken. A Gazelle needs to be stripped down, the airframe x-rayed, and then put back together and repainted, every twelve years, I was told. Even the Guimbal Cabri G2 has one part (only) that is calendar life limited (the bladder tanks) and you have to do some 12-year work on the Lycoming engine.
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Yes it does. When you fly a certified Gazelle, Alo III or II, they have calendar as well as component overhaul/life items. When you fly them as NTCA, they don't. We do have a 12 year X ray requirement but I promise you it is cheaper than a 3 year (used to be two year) T strap replacement on a Jetty. You also don't have to repaint after 12 years but I am sure I will want to at that time.

The Guimbal G2 also does have a 2200 hour overhaul life like the R22/R44/R66.

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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by cage » Wed May 31, 2017 10:45 am

Whirly wrote: The Guimbal G2 also does have a 2200 hour overhaul life like the R22/R44/R66.
The engine has a 2000 hour overhaul, gearboxes are 3000 and some items are "on condition" (blades, shafts etc).
It has a very different schedule to a Robbie which supposedly reduces it's maintenance costs making it more affordable over time given the higher purchase cost.

Bottom line is all helos are expensive to repair.

Given some of the dodgy maintenance performed on Gazelles that were Hungarian registered it may be a lottery what you actually get or end up paying..
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Re: Gazelle Helicopters

Unread post by Whirly » Wed May 31, 2017 11:28 am

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I did not know what the overhaul requirements for the G2 were and looked it up. According to what I read the first G2 overhaul was done at the factory in France after 2200 hours in 2012. That is what I based my statement on. I know very little about them apart from the fact that they are very expensive. :o

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