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Seen at the waterfront

Unread post by cage » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:28 pm

That was close.

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Unread post by Golf » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:07 pm

Pity video dont show safe landing. ZS-ROP ala salaries nicknamed. It is believed by many the fenestron lacks authority so this video a great lesson to all it does not. It sucks or pushes threw thrust not lift so a slight lag but if you fall behind its in charge for a split few seconds and love it. This video also shows the brilliant design of the moustache skid gear kicking her back in the air buying the pilot time to let her finish her I am in charge whoopee tantrum. There is a official Eurocopter still presentation on the fenestron and its working and how to recover from it by keeping height and slight RH pedal and fenestron will slow down and relax and then you land like salaries did. Shes flying after preventative chks as VEMD monitors all parameters and man I am glad I get to work and fly in Airbus's!
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Unread post by csparksfly » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:11 am

Probably the over used "gust of wind" interference explanation coming up :lol: :^o
Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Shouldn't one rather try to turn "counter" torque wise ? i.e in the case of this H120 "clockwise rotation as viewed from above", right pedal?
Doing this, you get a feel for how much anti torque you have got to work with.
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Unread post by Fransw » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:04 pm

My question:

Would a Stability Augmentation System(HeliSAS) have helped to "smooth" this incident out?

There is a STC for the H120..
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Unread post by Arch » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:39 pm

Fransw wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:04 pm
My question:

Would a Stability Augmentation System(HeliSAS) have helped to "smooth" this incident out?

There is a STC for the H120..
No
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Unread post by Fransw » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:01 pm

Arch wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:39 pm
Fransw wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:04 pm
My question:

Would a Stability Augmentation System(HeliSAS) have helped to "smooth" this incident out?

There is a STC for the H120..
No
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Unread post by Fransw » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:31 pm

Arch wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:39 pm
Fransw wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:04 pm
My question:

Would a Stability Augmentation System(HeliSAS) have helped to "smooth" this incident out?

There is a STC for the H120..
No
Hi Archi. A question if you don't mind: Do you think the HeliSAS autopilot is a good investment? Does it really improve the safety factor? Or is it just a cool nice to have(and very expensive..)

Only asking out of interest, not a chopper pilot..
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Unread post by Arch » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:25 pm

Fransw wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:31 pm
Arch wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:39 pm
Fransw wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:04 pm
My question:

Would a Stability Augmentation System(HeliSAS) have helped to "smooth" this incident out?

There is a STC for the H120..
No
Hi Archi. A question if you don't mind: Do you think the HeliSAS autopilot is a good investment? Does it really improve the safety factor? Or is it just a cool nice to have(and very expensive..)

Only asking out of interest, not a chopper pilot..
SAS on its own, no - that just improves the ride a bit. The movement authority of a SAS is only a small fraction of the total movement possible. A SAS-coupled auto pilot system would pay for itself the first time you went inadvertent IMC
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Unread post by Eddybear » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:02 pm

Not trying to be argumentative, but this video does NOT show that the TR authority is good - in my view quite the opposite.
There does not seem to be too much of a wind blowing (if I look at the windsock, which I must admit is not very clear).

I am not sure how this all started - he was fine the one moment, not even yawing very quickly and the next moment he lost it?

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