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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Falafel » Thu May 02, 2019 1:43 pm

cage wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 1:20 pm
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Thu May 02, 2019 12:55 pm
Out of interest sake which outlet would you suggest fits the bill in terms of "trustworthy" :?:
Well, now that is a subjective definition, trust being something needing to be earned.
The fox clan would consider CNN to be untrustworthy and vice versa.
Being permanently skeptical is a good place to start, if a piece is well researched and not written to be sensational then you are heading in the right direction.

I would agree with Darren that printed media is a better option as their business model isn't driven via clickbait and the need to get something (anything) out first.
There is more time to produce quality content and less pressure to get anything up now.

How many news sites simply have a "breaking!" page up when something has happened but nothing else?
Then it is followed by mining social media comments, none of which can be fact checked, followed by one line updates until eventually a coherent paragraph can be formed. It's all about generating hits and revenue, quality is the last in the equation.
Whether it is this type of "reporting" or the same news on rinse and repeat every 5 minutes, I'd lump that all in untrustworthy.

We should go back to the old days (sound like a real avcom member now ;) ) - two editions of news a day. Get it right and go home.
Ok so you criticise both CNN and Fox, so what newspaper would you suggest then? The post started with a request for FOX, and now has gone to "all news channels are bad"... should one now revert to the newspaper (Sowetan) and for daily international news where would an unbiased middle aged white guy go and get his news other than flying over a copy of his local daily from his country of origin :?:

You both seem fairly well read and educated so I assume you get your news from somewhere or does the "dont read the right or the left media" only apply to the rest of us :?:
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Darren » Thu May 02, 2019 1:51 pm

Bearing in mind that this refers to their news, and not their opinion sections, The Economist, WSJ, AP, Reuters, CSM, BBC.com, USA Today & Bloomberg are all generally good. Bloomberg has some serious credibility issues in their technology reporting of late though which is worth keeping an eye on, and all of the above have weaknesses in some areas and are stronger in others.

There are also a handful of specialist outlets that are doing good things in niche areas.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by cage » Thu May 02, 2019 2:33 pm

Falafel wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 1:43 pm
Ok so you criticise both CNN and Fox, so what newspaper would you suggest then? The post started with a request for FOX, and now has gone to "all news channels are bad"... should one now revert to the newspaper (Sowetan) and for daily international news where would an unbiased middle aged white guy go and get his news other than flying over a copy of his local daily from his country of origin :?:

You both seem fairly well read and educated so I assume you get your news from somewhere or does the "dont read the right or the left media" only apply to the rest of us :?:
The point I am trying to make is that most are flawed, some more than others - that is the nature of media in digital economy.
Bad and good is a relative and, again, subjective assessment in many cases.
People will see what they want to see.
What I enjoy reading, someone else may cry heretic at.
I tend to read from a range of sources and it doesn't always resonate with me.
I do enjoy "analysis" or commentary from regular columnists.

I like reading the UK times, they have a fairly diverse set of columnists.
Like Darren, the WSJ and the beeb (they are painfully PC and go overboard to give everyone their moment).
I also avoid news channels, unless there is something important happening.
Generally I stick to international media, it's just too negative and amateurish locally.
A bit of a news scavenger really. If something pops up (or a comment in an article catches the eye) I will tend to go research it and see where that leads.
You tend to run into some interesting viewpoints in different places.
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Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by John Young » Thu May 16, 2019 11:12 pm

Hi,

There are those who believe and absorb the MSN and those who seek the truth with a balanced opinion.

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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by skytrooper » Sun May 19, 2019 9:39 am

Expilot wrote:
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Would have been nice to not only just get one side of the US political spectrum aka the anti Trump side aka CNN .... Anyone out there that can shed some light or even speculate why Multichoice prefer not to show us Fox News ?
:lol:
Wait... so you say there is actually a "for trump side" ? ?
Must be propaganda... :lol:

I find CNN to be spot on, Everytime :wink:
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by ou toppie » Sun May 19, 2019 10:11 am

Although obviously aimed at the mid east, I find that the AJ International news is normally fairly unbiased and does seem to include news from far more of the world than other news sources.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by HJK 414 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:13 am

John Young wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:12 pm
Hi,

There are those who believe and absorb the MSN and those who seek the truth with a balanced opinion.

JY
John,

We have been here before, so let's take this away from Politics.
A media outlet always has a local for local tendency and if you wish a "balanced view" one would have to read / watch various sources to be able to see the different points of view. (remember - one mans freedom fighter is another man's terrorist) - so unless you are prepared to weigh per example the Frankfurter Allgemeine / Le Monde / Washington Post against each other - and then add some TV coverage from various sources to the mix- someone will never have a balanced view on p.e only Europe / USA happenings / economic realities.

Add the Far East / Pacific rim and you need even more data.

Someone only watching Fox / or for that matter only BBC or only CNN will never have a clue - and will not be able to debate under a "balanced" view / regardless of the difference in MSM outlets. Let alone claim that he / she knows what the "truth" is ….. apart from his own.

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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Falafel » Mon May 20, 2019 9:37 am

HJK 414 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:13 am
John Young wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:12 pm
Hi,

There are those who believe and absorb the MSN and those who seek the truth with a balanced opinion.

JY
John,

We have been here before, so let's take this away from Politics.
A media outlet always has a local for local tendency and if you wish a "balanced view" one would have to read / watch various sources to be able to see the different points of view. (remember - one mans freedom fighter is another man's terrorist) - so unless you are prepared to weigh per example the Frankfurter Allgemeine / Le Monde / Washington Post against each other - and then add some TV coverage from various sources to the mix- someone will never have a balanced view on p.e only Europe / USA happenings / economic realities.

Add the Far East / Pacific rim and you need even more data.

Someone only watching Fox / or for that matter only BBC or only CNN will never have a clue - and will not be able to debate under a "balanced" view / regardless of the difference in MSM outlets. Let alone claim that he / she knows what the "truth" is ….. apart from his own.

JK
One also tends to seek out the views which mirror either your own experiences or those around you... thereby validating oneself. So "balanced views" are also a little difficult because not one of us can be truly balanced depending on where we sit in society.

Try telling someone living in a shack, with no services, no schooling for their children and subject to constant crime that the EFF is not their party of choice whereas someone living in Sandton with a multi million rand salary whose reality is also very different.

Its easy to be "balanced" when you can take a high view of society and "afford" to take a long term view of schooling and perhaps do not have an emigrant who has just taken your job.

Aggravate this with certain companies owning certain news outlets and I suggest that "independent media" is a thing of the past and criticisms of different views are not only unfair but also fail to take into account sectors of the population which many people simply have no idea what the other is going through. Pretty much everyone has an agenda...
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by cage » Mon May 20, 2019 10:31 am

It would appear that el presidente is getting quite annoyed with Fox News, he doesn't like their coverage of the opposition. It is quite amusing that some want access to the network because they like it's conservative leanings yet, the walking hairpiece believes they are pandering to liberals.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Falafel » Mon May 20, 2019 12:33 pm

cage wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 10:31 am
It would appear that el presidente is getting quite annoyed with Fox News, he doesn't like their coverage of the opposition. It is quite amusing that some want access to the network because they like it's conservative leanings yet, the walking hairpiece believes they are pandering to liberals.
Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing.
Not 100% sure on your reference to confirmation bias ito the above...

Slight thread diversion... although read further to see my point if you can...

Some outcries in the UK about teachings of LGBT issues in schools.... seems groups are united in one cause at least being Muslims, Christians and Jews all questioning why and how its done... they all seem to think (protesting groups) that it is in fact "promoting LGBT rather than creating a simple awareness of the issue... yay, one issue which crosses the great divide :? whether one agrees with it or not.

Been watching a show on TV (until I couldnt anymore) called Station 19... if one watched it you could not be blamed for thinking the whole world either is LGB... and that no one actually comes into contact with someone of your own color. I am not a biggot or a racist but I did leave the programme thinking that perhaps a white married couple who are straight are now becoming obsolete... I look at my wife and kids (and my son who is tending to being straight) and just make sure I am not dreaming that this is the case.... I also leave there wondering if I have brought them up wrong and perhaps I should have married a man of colour or adopted a child from Africa / Asia / anywhere...

PC in my view is going to create some really marginalised people right now...

So... back to Fox... thank goodness for the other side... including Fox. Not because they tell the truth but heck, with all the PC news, programmes and views right now, being a white, straight male, I am beginning to wonder if I myself am obsolete. When I do click over to Fox at least they do reminder me that I am not the last one left, even if there views are a little much for even me :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by cage » Mon May 20, 2019 1:43 pm

Falafel wrote:
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Slight thread diversion... although read further to see my point if you can...
Chickpea, I do see your point.
Hollywood types tend to naturally be more creative/artsy types and are broadly quite liberal.
Hollywood has been accused of being segregated and prejudicial wrt to sex, race etc so there is now much more content produced that celebrates diversity in all its forms.
This doesn't bother me, it does give some interesting perspectives, but it does create a rather fabricated or overly-idealistic environments for broadcasting and it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea.

I have been watching a lot of old comedy and TV of late and I always think that, today, this content would never be made, which is quite sad that people have lost the ability to laugh at themselves.

PC is rarely actually the issue at hand, more often than not it is a term abused by people that can't filter themselves or say something controversial in a constructive way.
Same as freedom of speech - it's not an excuse to spread hate.

My issue with Fox is not that they have their own leanings, or are anti-PC.
They happily broadcast completely false information, sometimes in a vulgar manner purely so that topics can stir up emotion and help ratings.
By design they (not all of them, some of them) just want to be sensational and continue to fall short of anything that could be considered responsible journalism.
That is the joy of opinion-driven shows, you can say what you want, present it as fact and if it doesn't work out it's an easy cop out - it's just an opinion.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by John Young » Mon May 20, 2019 9:04 pm

Hi,

I stand by my statement.

The MSN is fake and false. I could give you many, many examples. But that would cause conflict.

It is no good visiting here for a week or two and claim you know all there is to know.

You need to live here, see it, feel it.

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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Darren » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:37 pm

Let's be honest, this sort of thing makes it difficult to defend Fox News, especially its analysis and comment shows. This is just them finding ways to make people angry.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by John Young » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:11 pm

Hi Darren,

Those clips were sliced, diced and edited by you know who.

Every engineer converts to metric. How would you like to build a bridge 114' yards long with 3.5 inch uprights spaced 5.23 inches apart.

All my beverages and bottles of good stuff are shown in ml as 2 and 4 stroke oil.

There are other examples.

The USA is inching towards metric. :D :D

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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Darren » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:28 pm

I made sure to watch the original clip, John. There was no untoward editing of this, it really was as bizarre as the image shows.

The US will never go metric while a substantial proportion of its population is being fed propaganda against it.

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