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Re: End of e-tolls?

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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Deanw » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:22 pm

27 March 2019: News24

Sanral suspends process of pursuing e-toll debt

The South African National Roads Agency has announced that it is suspending the process of pursuing e-toll debt.

This after Sanral's board passed an urgent resolution on the matter on Tuesday.

"It resolved that given the initiative led by President Cyril Ramaphosa to address the e-tolls payment impasse, Sanral will, with immediate effect, suspend the process of pursuing e-toll debt. This includes historic debt and summonses applied for from 2015. No new summonses will be applied for," Sanral spokesperson Vusi Mona said in a statement issued on Wednesday.

Sanral says the decision will be constantly monitored by the board and reviewed according to prevailing circumstances.

Netwerk24 had reported earlier this month that only 26 motorists had received default judgments so far for not paying their e-toll bills.

Mona told the News24 sister site that motorists owe Sanral more than R10.9 billion in unpaid e-toll money.
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Christo » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:49 pm

Deanw wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:22 pm
27 March 2019: News24

Sanral suspends process of pursuing e-toll debt

The South African National Roads Agency has announced that it is suspending the process of pursuing e-toll debt.

This after Sanral's board passed an urgent resolution on the matter on Tuesday.

"It resolved that given the initiative led by President Cyril Ramaphosa to address the e-tolls payment impasse, Sanral will, with immediate effect, suspend the process of pursuing e-toll debt. This includes historic debt and summonses applied for from 2015. No new summonses will be applied for," Sanral spokesperson Vusi Mona said in a statement issued on Wednesday.

Sanral says the decision will be constantly monitored by the board and reviewed according to prevailing circumstances.

Netwerk24 had reported earlier this month that only 26 motorists had received default judgments so far for not paying their e-toll bills.

Mona told the News24 sister site that motorists owe Sanral more than R10.9 billion in unpaid e-toll money.
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by heinrich » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:56 pm

the initiative led by President Cyril Ramaphosa to address the e-tolls payment impasse
What is this initiative?
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:03 pm

The real reason, I believe, is because they can't blacklist anyone on a Sanral court unpaid default judgment with the credit bureau. Which removes from them a most potent weapon.

The courts have ruled that a Sanral judgment doesn't meet the definition in the NCA Act for blacklisting the defendant on credit bureau, because it's that Act that authorises such listings and the Sanral judgments don't fall under the NCA Act.

Just a theory, but I like it :lol:
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by heinrich » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:26 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:03 pm
The real reason, I believe, is because they can't blacklist anyone on a Sanral court unpaid default judgment with the credit bureau. Which removes from them a most potent weapon.

The courts have ruled that a Sanral judgment doesn't meet the definition in the NCA Act for blacklisting the defendant on credit bureau, because it's that Act that authorises such listings and the Sanral judgments don't fall under the NCA Act.

Just a theory, but I like it :lol:
So is the plan to withdraw now and come back later and attack from a different angle?
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:51 pm

The overseas partners must be fuming :twisted:
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Christo » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:58 pm

Ugly Duckling wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:51 pm
The overseas partners must be fuming :twisted:
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:07 pm

Christo wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:58 pm
Ugly Duckling wrote:
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The overseas partners must be fuming :twisted:
Is it still 70c of each rand leaving the country?
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:38 pm

Gotta luv it when people say they won't pay for those roads. They'll pay. One way or the other. They'll pay.

The State stands behind the e-toll deal with Sanral so will have to cough the money in the end. That means tax money. The people will pay. Like it or lump it, the people will pay :wink:
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Bearcat » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:30 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:38 pm
Gotta luv it when people say they won't pay for those roads. They'll pay. One way or the other. They'll pay.

The State stands behind the e-toll deal with Sanral so will have to cough the money in the end. That means tax money. The people will pay. Like it or lump it, the people will pay :wink:
Yes .. but at least folk in Cape Town, Durban and Bloem will be contributing :lol:
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Ray W » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:47 pm

I'm wondering if our civil disobedience by refusing to pay has helped in this decision.
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by heinrich » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:21 am

Ray W wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:47 pm
I'm wondering if our civil disobedience by refusing to pay has helped in this decision.

The fact that they are withdrawing and probably going to try to recoup the monies via another avenue 'spreek boekdele'. They expected people to comply and simply cough up.

Oh, and I'm still in the dark about CR's 'initiative'?
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:40 am

Jack Welles wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:03 pm
The real reason, I believe, is because they can't blacklist anyone on a Sanral court unpaid default judgment with the credit bureau. Which removes from them a most potent weapon.

The courts have ruled that a Sanral judgment doesn't meet the definition in the NCA Act for blacklisting the defendant on credit bureau, because it's that Act that authorises such listings and the Sanral judgments don't fall under the NCA Act.

Just a theory, but I like it :lol:
Not a total theory. Similar to having an insurance company listing you for not paying an insurance premium. Changed banking details and cancelled an insurance policy once with Outsurance. They continued to debit a closed bank account and ulimately did a listing on credit bureaux without my knowledge. A sternly worded lawyer's letter soon fixed that.
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Re: End of e-tolls?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:43 am

Bearcat wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:30 pm
Jack Welles wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:38 pm
Gotta luv it when people say they won't pay for those roads. They'll pay. One way or the other. They'll pay.
The State stands behind the e-toll deal with Sanral so will have to cough the money in the end. That means tax money. The people will pay. Like it or lump it, the people will pay :wink:
Yes .. but at least folk in Cape Town, Durban and Bloem will be contributing :lol:
:D It's only fair. You've been helping to pay for our roads all this time 8)

As an aside: I never understood why they didn't eventually just stick up toll gates and if the people don't pay they don't pass. Seems wierd that they should stick with a losing strategy for so long.
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