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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Induna » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:13 pm

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Just a different question this time... my ancestors is a mix of dutch, french and german. (And i am reminded everyday in the news that i am not african..)

I don’t know how many generations ago my ancestors settled in South Africa so the questions are:

1. Can I claim citizenship from one of those countries?
2. Which one?
3. How many generations ago will let me qualify (if any)
4. If possible, has someone here gone through the process and what is required?
5. Where (at the government) can i get the whole history of my family to confirm this? I would also guess something official needs to be obtained to prove my ancestors coming from these countries?
You're probably an old family then, like we are, from the time before the Netherlands and Germany were what they are today, but were combined as the Holy Roman Empire, to be split up later after a whole series for conflicts.

It was often those ongoing conflicts that made the locals pack up there and venture South into the unknown to Africa. They simply got fed up for the oppression which had secular, religious and trade as motives of conflict.

That ancestry doesnt count anymore... as for Germany - you do stand a chance if you have German born ancestors going back 2 generations. But 16th or 17th Century ancestors dont count for citizenship in the birth country your family emigrated from because the old countries dont exist anymore, other than geographically.

And if that makes you feel oppressed, then you know what you are - an oppressed native of your own birth country.

And then I would claim my native birthright to this nation...and its future, regardless of its flag, politics and rulers. Or leave and start over elsewhere as an foreign immigrant from Africa. :idea:
So now i know I am 100% african..!! Lol
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by snoopy » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:08 pm

Just some new emigration stats.

New Zealand 2010-2019
31,663 South Africans approved for residency in NZ.
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by African Flyer » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:15 pm

snoopy wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:08 pm
Just some new emigration stats.

New Zealand 2010-2019
31,663 South Africans approved for residency in NZ.
Hi Snoopy. Where do you get the stats from? Do you have the stats for the same period for Ireland?
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Unread post by snoopy » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:27 pm

It was published today as part of an emigration article, there are now more than 60 000 ex South Africans in NZ. I dont have the exact number, but by 2017 they were 60 000 in NZ. So add another 2 year's approvals for a guesstimate.
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Unread post by paulw » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:07 pm

African Flyer wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:15 pm
snoopy wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:08 pm
Just some new emigration stats.

New Zealand 2010-2019
31,663 South Africans approved for residency in NZ.
Hi Snoopy. Where do you get the stats from? Do you have the stats for the same period for Ireland?
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublic ... eople/cen/

In 2016, there were 8100+ SAFFAS in Ireland. It will be a LOOOOT more now....
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by African Flyer » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:43 pm

paulw wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:07 pm
African Flyer wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:15 pm
snoopy wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:08 pm
Just some new emigration stats.

New Zealand 2010-2019
31,663 South Africans approved for residency in NZ.
Hi Snoopy. Where do you get the stats from? Do you have the stats for the same period for Ireland?
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublic ... eople/cen/

In 2016, there were 8100+ SAFFAS in Ireland. It will be a LOOOOT more now....
Census based on place of birth
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Mike Tango » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:15 pm

Air NZ on a bit of a drive for turboprop P1's & F/O's ATM ...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... ven-cities

A quote from article:

"The ad said it may consider applicants with foreign-issued qualifications that could be converted to NZCAA licences."

Tricky bit would be to get NZ Residency prior or because of by the looks of it - not 100% clear whether you could get a job offer w/out residency & that it would justify residency application on its own (not on skills shortage list in its own right, I don't think)
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Unread post by Christopher » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:03 am

Snoopy-dawg, re this:

<Just some new emigration stats
<New Zealand 2010-2019
<31,663 South Africans approved for residency in NZ>

If those are figures published by the New Zealand authorities, then I would guess you mean <immigration> figures and not emigration...!! :P

Although...if you refer to figures derived by the SA authorities, then you'd be okay, mate... :)
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by snoopy » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:09 am

Christopher wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:03 am
Snoopy-dawg, re this:

<Just some new emigration stats
<New Zealand 2010-2019
<31,663 South Africans approved for residency in NZ>

If those are figures published by the New Zealand authorities, then I would guess you mean <immigration> figures and not emigration...!! :P

Although...if you refer to figures derived by the SA authorities, then you'd be okay, mate... :)
Ja Christopher...so what do you think I meant? :roll:

People leaving SA for NZ are emigrants..and immigrants as seen from NZ perspective (same people, same stats), but from here in SA seen as Emigrants. :idea:
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Unread post by Fransw » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:14 pm

Interesting stats on Portugal. Their liberal thinking is working for them?...
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Unread post by excolonial » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:54 pm

Interesting, I am not sure it is quite liberal. I think they take the Swiss approach of decriminalisation along with containment and treatment. Obviously you can't draw a linear relationship between decriminalisation and overdoses. There are several economic factors which have improved significantly between the two sample periods.

That said, I think decriminalisation is probably a good approach.
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Unread post by Fransw » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:46 pm

excolonial wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:54 pm
Interesting, I am not sure it is quite liberal. I think they take the Swiss approach of decriminalisation along with containment and treatment. Obviously you can't draw a linear relationship between decriminalisation and overdoses. There are several economic factors which have improved significantly between the two sample periods.

That said, I think decriminalisation is probably a good approach.
I like portugal. They do many things right. And nobody "cares" about them. Maybe that's part of their secret..
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Whirly » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:38 pm

Fransw wrote:
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:54 pm
Interesting, I am not sure it is quite liberal. I think they take the Swiss approach of decriminalisation along with containment and treatment. Obviously you can't draw a linear relationship between decriminalisation and overdoses. There are several economic factors which have improved significantly between the two sample periods.

That said, I think decriminalisation is probably a good approach.
I like portugal. They do many things right. And nobody "cares" about them. Maybe that's part of their secret..
My partner and his wife retired there. He has been buying up a lot of property all around the house they built and they now have a nice reserve. He is a very keen wildlife photographer and has now set up hides all over the place from which he films. Bought one of those 8 wheeler amphibian vehicles and can get anywhere on their property. He raves about the quality of life and the expert medical care. Language is a bit of a problem.

I don't really have a desire to live there as they get quite cold in winter and very hot in summer. :roll:

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Unread post by excolonial » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:02 pm

Whirly wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:38 pm
My partner and his wife retired there. He has been buying up a lot of property all around the house they built and they now have a nice reserve. He is a very keen wildlife photographer and has now set up hides all over the place from which he films. Bought one of those 8 wheeler amphibian vehicles and can get anywhere on their property. He raves about the quality of life and the expert medical care. Language is a bit of a problem.

I don't really have a desire to live there as they get quite cold in winter and very hot in summer. :roll:

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Did this chap import a bunch of African animals when he moved? There is an ex south African whose smallholding I have passed. Think I saw Wildebeest and Zebra there.

Winters in Portugal quite mild, especially in the South. It was between 15 and 20 degrees during the day when I was there over Christmas. As for the summer, it gets hot and is quite arid, which is the one thing I am not a fan of.
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Unread post by paulw » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:39 pm

And Portugal doesn't have much of a refugees problem like some of the other EU countries. The refugees don't want to stay there as they don't get as much for free as other EU countries dish out.
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