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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Iceberg » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:51 am

Jack Welles wrote:
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Effectively, the two, of course, have nothing to do with each other.
True to an extent, but for the above MP336(b) form they are very much interlinked. SARB requires SARS to "sign off" on the applicant's tax status. Without that SARB won't grant you your non-resident status.
:D I can see how they might seem "interlinked" but (we're getting very technical here and maybe somewhat esoteric) FYI the legal requirements for "non-resident" for SARB purposes (one of them being that there is no outstanding liability for SA tax, to which you are referring and which are the "apples") is different to the legal requirements that determine whether a person is a "resident" or a "non-resident" for SA tax purposes. In other words the one set of resident/non-resident laws has no effect on the other set of resident/non-resident laws to which I was referring and which are the "oranges".

In addition, the historical tax status of an individual (ie, whether they owe money or not and to which you are referring and which are still the "apples") does not affect his or her "resident" or "non-resident" status for SA tax purposes to which I was referring and which are still the "oranges".

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by F16 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:20 am

Thread has drifted a long way off. May be a good idea to move the financial stuff to a seperate thread .
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Fransw » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:08 pm

That's it! I'm taking the next flight!

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:09 pm

F16 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:20 am
Thread has drifted a long way off. May be a good idea to move the financial stuff to a seperate thread .
I would have thought that the "options" available for the financial arrangements of "emigrants" when leaving SA would be completely on topic in a thread called "emigration options" :wink:
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Fransw » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:12 pm

Jack[i][/i] Welles wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:09 pm
F16 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:20 am
Thread has drifted a long way off. May be a good idea to move the financial stuff to a seperate thread .
I would have thought that the "options" available for the financial arrangements of "emigrants" when leaving SA would be completely on topic in a thread called "emigration options" :wink:
Agree, finance is the biggest part of the exercise imo..
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by HJK 414 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:14 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:09 pm
F16 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:20 am
Thread has drifted a long way off. May be a good idea to move the financial stuff to a seperate thread .
I would have thought that the "options" available for the financial arrangements of "emigrants" when leaving SA would be completely on topic in a thread called "emigration options" :wink:

Eddie.

It seems from this thread that many are "emigrating" but firmly try to keep one foot in the SA "door".
As a backdoor perhaps - to return if all else fails.
If one emigrates - no residence - no assets - no business ties - it simply does not come into play.

One has to do the homework and once committed - then there are no issues.

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:29 pm

HJK 414 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:14 pm
Jack Welles wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:09 pm
F16 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:20 am
Thread has drifted a long way off. May be a good idea to move the financial stuff to a seperate thread .
I would have thought that the "options" available for the financial arrangements of "emigrants" when leaving SA would be completely on topic in a thread called "emigration options" :wink:
It seems from this thread that many are "emigrating" but firmly try to keep one foot in the SA "door".
As a backdoor perhaps - to return if all else fails.
If one emigrates - no residence - no assets - no business ties - it simply does not come into play. One has to do the homework and once committed - then there are no issues. JK
I agree that a totally clean break (and never come back to SA for visits long enough to fall foul of the SARS "residency" requirements" - so they need to know about those, as well) will have no residual tax consequences.

But often people have investments (of one sort or another) that they're loathe to let go at what they believe are firesale prices. Some may want to keep a holiday home on the SA coast. Others are really out there to make a bit of extra loot and want to have their cake and eat it by coming back later without adverse tax consequences, etc etc. That's when the details of the relevant tax laws become important.
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by hugo_visser » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:01 pm

Not really possible to cut off completely, Family that stay behind in most cases. Met a lady in NZ yesterday, 10 years in NZ, went back to SA a few times for her sick parents. Now that they have passed away, will not even visit SA. On the Quantas flight to NZ, sooo many broken up families, so sad.

SA has the best of all, except the people running the country. It cost me around 10 mil, loss of income, selling below value, whatever, but our family will still be together. It taught me a lot, I can do much more now because of that, for the first time in my life cried a lot missing my children, could not even talk to people about it.

That is over now, bought a house in Papamoa ( Margate) and is growing fast. My son is renting that, he has to learn to do it himself but less shlepp from a landlord. I know he will be ok if the S455t hits the fan.Wish I could buy 10 houses here, and bought lifestyle 1 hour away 8 km out of Whakatane, house needs rebuilding, half round barn needs rebuilding, BUT it is helicopter friendly haven, LZ in the back garden if take off and land less than 7 times per month. Hope to build runway in next door dairy farm land . Now my youngest can join us and depending where he lands, try and buy a place for him to rent. We will blow the rental bucks together anyway in Alo fuel.

These timber boxes on a tiny piece of land is really expensive, times 10 for the rand exchange rate. Now for the first time in my children's life they can experience Durban beach ( Napier ) at Christmas South Africa 1970. They are 29 and 27. I feel the day you decide to have children it is the parents job to look after them, and when older freedom to fly by them self, but still be there to catch them if they fall, and they there to catch you when you fall. Equip their boat to be able to sail trough the storm.

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by paulw » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:22 pm

vanjast wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:36 am
paulw wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:01 am
(flying out tomorrow (Saturday),
Do you have your trip organised.. need any help from the airport..etc..
Sorry, only saw your message now as it was hectic. First time on Avcom again since my previous post Saturday midnight :D
Still managed to finally get an offer to purchase on my house in the last hours before leaving for the airport. My B-i-L was going to buy the house but couldn't get a loan. Too many other properties for rental already so over committed the bank reckons...

But thanks, I booked a rental car for two weeks and will see if I can buy something in that time else just rent till I do.
Arrived Sunday afternoon and slowly getting settled. Still need to organise a couple of things but getting there...
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by paulw » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:45 pm

hugo_visser wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:01 pm
Not really possible to cut off completely, Family that stay behind in most cases. Met a lady in NZ yesterday, 10 years in NZ, went back to SA a few times for her sick parents. Now that they have passed away, will not even visit SA. On the Quantas flight to NZ, sooo many broken up families, so sad.

SA has the best of all, except the people running the country. It cost me around 10 mil, loss of income, selling below value, whatever, but our family will still be together. It taught me a lot, I can do much more now because of that, for the first time in my life cried a lot missing my children, could not even talk to people about it.

That is over now, bought a house in Papamoa ( Margate) and is growing fast. My son is renting that, he has to learn to do it himself but less shlepp from a landlord. I know he will be ok if the S455t hits the fan.Wish I could buy 10 houses here, and bought lifestyle 1 hour away 8 km out of Whakatane, house needs rebuilding, half round barn needs rebuilding, BUT it is helicopter friendly haven, LZ in the back garden if take off and land less than 7 times per month. Hope to build runway in next door dairy farm land . Now my youngest can join us and depending where he lands, try and buy a place for him to rent. We will blow the rental bucks together anyway in Alo fuel.

These timber boxes on a tiny piece of land is really expensive, times 10 for the rand exchange rate. Now for the first time in my children's life they can experience Durban beach ( Napier ) at Christmas South Africa 1970. They are 29 and 27. I feel the day you decide to have children it is the parents job to look after them, and when older freedom to fly by them self, but still be there to catch them if they fall, and they there to catch you when you fall. Equip their boat to be able to sail trough the storm.

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Roger » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:22 pm

Big changes on the cards for South Africans looking to move to the UK
https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifesty ... to-the-uk/
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Whirly » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:36 pm

hugo_visser wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:01 pm
Not really possible to cut off completely, Family that stay behind in most cases. Met a lady in NZ yesterday, 10 years in NZ, went back to SA a few times for her sick parents. Now that they have passed away, will not even visit SA. On the Quantas flight to NZ, sooo many broken up families, so sad.

SA has the best of all, except the people running the country. It cost me around 10 mil, loss of income, selling below value, whatever, but our family will still be together. It taught me a lot, I can do much more now because of that, for the first time in my life cried a lot missing my children, could not even talk to people about it.

That is over now, bought a house in Papamoa ( Margate) and is growing fast. My son is renting that, he has to learn to do it himself but less shlepp from a landlord. I know he will be ok if the S455t hits the fan.Wish I could buy 10 houses here, and bought lifestyle 1 hour away 8 km out of Whakatane, house needs rebuilding, half round barn needs rebuilding, BUT it is helicopter friendly haven, LZ in the back garden if take off and land less than 7 times per month. Hope to build runway in next door dairy farm land . Now my youngest can join us and depending where he lands, try and buy a place for him to rent. We will blow the rental bucks together anyway in Alo fuel.

These timber boxes on a tiny piece of land is really expensive, times 10 for the rand exchange rate. Now for the first time in my children's life they can experience Durban beach ( Napier ) at Christmas South Africa 1970. They are 29 and 27. I feel the day you decide to have children it is the parents job to look after them, and when older freedom to fly by them self, but still be there to catch them if they fall, and they there to catch you when you fall. Equip their boat to be able to sail trough the storm.

Hugo.
Hugo,

On what Visa are you living in NZ, and will you be there permanently? :?

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Fransw » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:40 pm

Roger wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:22 pm
Big changes on the cards for South Africans looking to move to the UK
https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifesty ... to-the-uk/
Good for them! I agree with it..
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by hugo_visser » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:27 pm

Provisional resident. Not a visa. Provisional for 2 years , then check if invested money is still invested renewed for 2 years, then permanent resident 1 year, then citizen. Hurt my knee after day 2 landing here,ACC paid for everything, chiropractisionar, fisio, sonar, ex ray and a week later a letter asking if I was ok and a name of a specialist who can help me for further problems.
Waiting in the different doctors rooms, less than 5 min, and they talk to each other. The equipment to help you, unbelievable.

Bought my second house now, moving in Friday. Lott's of red tape, new rules of 22 October 2018. If you stay here for 184 days permanent that falls away, but I need a spot where I can send my Alo s to in the container. Lott's of repairs but that is what we can afford, but primary box to tick, LZ for the Alouette, have been looking and even if we spent double, could not find the correct property to tick the boxes. This property s price will allow the budget for repairs and not work for 4 years with the small change, so I will work for myself in my own time repairing the property, and if sold one day be paid in the profit. Have an old SAA friend who emigrated 20 years ago, bought a scrap house, repaired it room for room in his holiday, is now leased to Auckland university for 21 years, has a massive new house with a flatlet rented out in the back and 2 houses in cable bay. Teacher. 10 km from the sea with harbor, 20 min from inland fresh water lakes, 10 km upstream from the river that you jump in with a tube and float 20 km to that same harbor at the sea, water crystal clear, and can camp right there if you wish, in the middle of nowhere.
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Then more important, and I think it might not be a to bad idea to rethink your choice of land to emigrate to, because it is not about what you want but what influence your choice will have on your family. Not what it is going to cost you. My brother in law can now phone on a Sunday afternoon and say, let us go for an ice cream, and we go, 1 hour reasonable open straight road, they can meet halfway and you, 30 min ea, or fishing in the sea, or water ski, or flip in the Alo or parachute behind boat, or sit and talk nonsense, braai, whatever.........
I still have my mother and sister to look after in SA, my brothers can look after themselves.

It is a tough ride, not for sissies, Jimmy is also coming, looking for a farm for him. I can bring something back for you from your son if needed. Mid Feb. Only coming back with 1 half cabin luggage load. Johan s children also here. Visited Cabeng in Rotorua, he is doing well and having a ball, bought a beautiful house,........ timber box.

The dog are not dogs here but part of he family and a pet, my sons dogs are battling to adjust, the KIWI s can not understand their agro and attack, and why they can not just walk into their yard to deliver a parcel, which is just left at the door and does not disappear. His one dog had to get a neck operation at the vet training hospital, R 37 000.00 and the budget was R 50 000.00. Must admit, she is a different freaking thing, if she does not want to do something, that will happen, hiding or no hiding. She nearly talks to you, never seen it before in my life.

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Jack Welles » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:54 pm

Sounds great, Hugo, and lovely peaceful scene in that piccie. Wish you, and your family, the best of luck in your new home!

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