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Re: Eskom (aka we want mo' money) load shedding - here we go again!

Unread post by flysouth » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:21 pm

rainier wrote:
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Placing the party beforre the people Marius. That's simply the way things work. As Jack says, whether they can afford to wait or not, it's not the way they operate. Not unique to SA, look at how the Tories "handle" the Brexit negotiations. IMO same thing.
True. If the Government would really understand how serious this is they would have acted long ago when it was still possible to fix it.
I really cannot see how this can be repaired now - it is just far too late. You would have to get rid of a major part of the current work force, somehow find enough qualified and motivated people to perform the critical technical jobs, somehow get rid of that debt and get back to a lean a mean operation that it pretty much once was.
There is so much not right you can't just send out a memo to the huge staff complement that things are now completely different.

It would be easier to just shut the whole thing down, then change and restart it. Then do what other countries have done - split the whole mess into privately operated ventures. Then it's a simple case of sink or swim. If you can run a tight efficient ship then you make it. If you can't your more successful competitor eats you. Sure - it's not perfect - but that is still the best model.
Of course I understand that will never happen. Even splitting Eskom into three parts is mostly wasted effort - but it does open up third party, private energy supply as the generation side of Eskom is now split from the vital transmission side. Since our dear leader has large investments in alternative energy sources - perhaps one can join the dots here ?
The dots have already been joined up by several observers. The common element which connects dots is a private energy company called African Rainbow Energy & Power or AREP.

The owner/founder of this company is Patrice Motsepe, who some claim is SA's richest man worth around R25 Billion.

Cyril Ramaphosa is married to Motsepe’s sister, Dr Tshepo Motsepe.

Jeff Radebe, Minister of Energy is married to Motsepe’s other sister Bridgette Radebe. Ramaphosa shifted Radebe to the energy portfolio in February 2018 as one of his first executive decisions after taking over from Jacob Zuma.

Brian Dames, CEO of the AREP Group is a former Eskom CEO.

AREP claims that it is a company able and in fact set up to efficiently handle - wait for it - Generation, Transmission and Distribution of electrical energy - coincidentally the exact disciplines which are to be used in the unbundling of Eskom, which has already been announced!

Joining the dots is easier than ever when you know these facts.
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Unread post by flysouth » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:33 pm

This is worth seeing from 2015 but still relevant, perhaps even more relevant today!

Jump the video to 24:20, the point where the speaker is addressing energy infrastructure problems but it is well worth watching throughout as it gives a clear picture of the state of SA then and now and into the future.

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Unread post by Jack Welles » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:23 am

Ah! Conspiracy theories - gotta luv 'em :D
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Unread post by heinrich » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:43 pm

Maybe AREP saw the writing on the wall a while ago and set themselves up accordingly. Maybe there is more to it, but maybe it is just good forethought?
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:43 pm

Just come on line solar energy in Nthn Cape:

https://ewn.co.za/2019/02/15/as-eskom-s ... mes-online

And they are doing deals with IPP's according to that article - 112 of them to date.

Just a heads-up to add to the debate ...
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Unread post by snoopy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:02 pm

Kathu Solar Park provides 100 MW at a project cost of R12 Billion, now supplying 179 000 homes, and is owned in part to the Government Pension Fund. Another clean power project Koeberg; generates 1830 MW by comparison.
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Re: Eskom (aka we want mo' money) load shedding - here we go again!

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:25 pm

heinrich wrote:
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Maybe AREP saw the writing on the wall a while ago and set themselves up accordingly. Maybe there is more to it, but maybe it is just good forethought?
:lol: :lol: In the rest of the world its called INSIDER TRADING and its a crime. :twisted:
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Unread post by heinrich » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:04 pm

Marius Schrenk wrote:
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Maybe AREP saw the writing on the wall a while ago and set themselves up accordingly. Maybe there is more to it, but maybe it is just good forethought?
:lol: :lol: In the rest of the world its called INSIDER TRADING and its a crime. :twisted:
Hmm, more like conflict of interest? And only if the people that started AREP or own shares in it are Eskom employees or directors?

Doubt there's any conspiracy.
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Re: Eskom (aka we want mo' money) load shedding - here we go again!

Unread post by Mouser » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:57 am

snoopy wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:02 pm
Kathu Solar Park provides 100 MW at a project cost of R12 Billion, now supplying 179 000 homes, and is owned in part to the Government Pension Fund. Another clean power project Koeberg; generates 1830 MW by comparison.
Very interesting snoopy thanks and a full list of power stations, capacity, cost per MWh (vs budgeted?) and overall electricity production cost per MWh as well as international norms and what Eskom actually pays IPP's would be "illuminating", methinks; if available. In US$ or present day ZAR.
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:55 am

snoopy wrote:
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Kathu Solar Park provides 100 MW at a project cost of R12 Billion, now supplying 179 000 homes, and is owned in part to the Government Pension Fund. Another clean power project Koeberg; generates 1830 MW by comparison.
Koeberg is fantastic, having already paid for itself the cost of electricity is virtually (but not quite :D ) free. It's certainly by far the cheapest producer in SA. That's why it's such a pity that new nuclear is just too expensive for SA currently. I'm still wondering if the pebblebed modular version might still end up being a viable alternative. The trouble with solar etc is that you still need base load for when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow. Pity about the screwups with Medupi and Kusile and let's hope that the foreign experts that have been called in can sort it at not too high a price! 8-[
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Unread post by snoopy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:50 pm

This is probably better to just listen to, the facts check out, and the sources used are legit.



You make your own deductions.
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:05 pm

snoopy wrote:
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This is probably better to just listen to, the facts check out, and the sources used are legit. https://youtu.be/z7E9s_LHY8E You make your own deductions.
:lol: it's on the Internet so that it must be true! :lol:

Seriously though, who is this oke? On a quick flip around his youtube site his name doesn't readily show?

Next with the greatest respect you said: "... the facts check out, and the sources used are legit ...". Sorry about the credibility check (it's not personal :D ) but with so much fake news around and especially anti-SA govt stuff - who says they check out and are correct? I take things with a large tablespoon of salt if I can't check them for myself, so if you have any objectively believable cites with public credibility proving the claims it would be appreciated.

Otherwise if it wasn't in English this could have come from Maroelanuus :lol:
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Unread post by snoopy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:15 pm

If you were objective- you would do your own research into the source credibility, and the facts ...why assume anyone else is going to do that for you? :lol:

Ezee as pie...if you listen to what he says, follow the links he provided, easily verifiable sources of credible standing, you would now be better informed, instead of making a fool of yourself.

But as I said - you have to make your own conclusions... :arrow:
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Unread post by flysouth » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:21 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:23 am
Ah! Conspiracy theories - gotta luv 'em :D
The essential about what I posted on AREP is the presence of the familial relationships, which I do not believe are in question.

Such relationships create a very reasonable conclusion that there are indeed possibly conflicts of interest.

In any properly managed commercial enterprise, or government, official eyebrows would be raised and questions asked. Checks and balances would kick in as any system of management with inegrity would demand.
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:18 pm

Conspiracy theories are automatically suspect. Conspiracies are by their very nature secret. This mean the proponent of any particular conspiracy theory is pretty much free to populate the story with all the people/things etc that he or she doesn't like or agree with and without fear of contradiction. It makes it all the more suspect when the purveyors aren't prepared to back up the story they're telling. That's simply a cop out. There's a good reason for the well-known legal axiom that "... he who alleges must prove ..."

NOTE: This doesn't mean that the particular conspiracy theories being put forward, for example, in the last few posts are not correct. They very well may be correct. They may also just be utter garbage built around a few known facts, with all of it usually manipulated to suit some sort of preconceived agenda or bias.
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