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Unread post by cage » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:27 pm

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Unread post by ACE MAN » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:04 pm

To drift slightly if I may and quote a Clint Eastwood Movie script on his most exciting/favorite place that he has ever been to.

"Well, it's the obvious choice, but I
think I'd have to say Africa. It's
another world. Not just the people
and the cultures but the land, the
colors you see at dawns and dusks --
and the life there. It charges every
molecule of air.
It's tangible -- the moment to moment
of life and death, the co-habitation
of man and beast, of beast and beast,
who'll survive, who won't -- and
there's no judgement about it. No
right or wrong or imposed morality.
It's just life. It's a voyeurs
paradise...'

Read in to it what you will.
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by excolonial » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:56 pm

ACE MAN wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:04 pm
To drift slightly if I may and quote a Clint Eastwood Movie script on his most exciting/favorite place that he has ever been to.

"Well, it's the obvious choice, but I
think I'd have to say Africa. It's
another world. Not just the people
and the cultures but the land, the
colors you see at dawns and dusks --
and the life there. It charges every
molecule of air.
It's tangible -- the moment to moment
of life and death, the co-habitation
of man and beast, of beast and beast,
who'll survive, who won't -- and
there's no judgement about it. No
right or wrong or imposed morality.
It's just life. It's a voyeurs
paradise...'

Read in to it what you will.
I read something similar from a US veteran of the Rhodesian army. I think it pretty accurately describes the place.
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Unread post by vanjast » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:43 pm

Though I bump this up a bit seeing that it's sinking as fast a golden nuggets 'in the pockets of those that cannot swim'.
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Unread post by Horace Blok » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:59 am

Judging by the lack of feedback "frenzy" - would I be correct in assuming there is a whole lot more interest in emigration than those desirous of explaining their return home?

There is a medical doctor not to far from my home - a Psychiatrist - he practised in NZ and is a lecturer at a University today. Amongst a few reasons, he came back to give his children a chance to know their grandparents. That was 9 years ago. He reflects it was a poor decision to return and knowing what he knows now, would NEVER have come back. He loved the tranquility of NZ and the chilled attitude - no one cares who you are and what car you drive, appreciated the harmony and the hard working ethic etc etc. Just saying.
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by Jack Welles » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:23 am

Horace Blok wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:59 am
Judging by the lack of feedback "frenzy" - would I be correct in assuming there is a whole lot more interest in emigration than those desirous of explaining their return home?
IME there's a lot more excitement emigrating, having left to live in Aus and later USA before coming back. It's all new. Different cultures, people and places to explore. Lots of research to be done before leaving etc. Lots of sharing of ideas with fellow emigrants. Maybe some nervousness as well. Coming back home is a known quantity. No research necessary etc etc. So nothing to talk about really. Just do it.
There is a medical doctor not to far from my home - a Psychiatrist - he practised in NZ and is a lecturer at a University today. Amongst a few reasons, he came back to give his children a chance to know their grandparents. That was 9 years ago. He reflects it was a poor decision to return and knowing what he knows now, would NEVER have come back. He loved the tranquility of NZ and the chilled attitude - no one cares who you are and what car you drive, appreciated the harmony and the hard working ethic etc etc. Just saying.
What's more interesting is that he hasn't gone back overseas. As a specialist (medical doctor) he would be welcome anywhere and would be guaranteed a decent salary from day one, probably the costs of relocation, as well. One would love to be able to ask why he's still in SA given the comments you've quoted.
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Unread post by Horace Blok » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:26 am

I omitted to say, he is going back - his Dad RIP. Mum is still with him - then he will return.
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Unread post by savas » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:50 pm

Maybe those that have come back are embarrassed to say why?
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Unread post by cage » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:58 pm

Horace Blok wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:59 am
Judging by the lack of feedback "frenzy" - would I be correct in assuming there is a whole lot more interest in emigration than those desirous of explaining their return home?
You need to consider the avcom and 12345 demographic.
There are far more aspiring emigrants here than there are people that have gone and returned.
It's a bit like comparing helo drivers to planks - we're grossly outnumbered.

Broadly speaking, whether is is liberal vs conservative, positive vs negative etc - the glass half empty fraternity are in the majority, I would suggest that is due to the older white male being the main active demographic here.

It would be difficult to read anything into this topic, you may be better off asking why people have stayed or not considered leaving to get a few more responses.

If I look at my friends and family, most have returned or not thought about leaving to start with (though the option was available). That in and of itself is not a representative sample of the nation as a whole, purely of the environment I find myself in.
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Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:12 pm

cage wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:58 pm
Horace Blok wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:59 am
Judging by the lack of feedback "frenzy" - would I be correct in assuming there is a whole lot more interest in emigration than those desirous of explaining their return home?
You need to consider the avcom and 12345 demographic.
There are far more aspiring emigrants here than there are people that have gone and returned.
It's a bit like comparing helo drivers to planks - we're grossly outnumbered.

Broadly speaking, whether is is liberal vs conservative, positive vs negative etc - the glass half empty fraternity are in the majority, I would suggest that is due to the older white male being the main active demographic here.

It would be difficult to read anything into this topic, you may be better off asking why people have stayed or not considered leaving to get a few more responses.

If I look at my friends and family, most have returned or not thought about leaving to start with (though the option was available). That in and of itself is not a representative sample of the nation as a whole, purely of the environment I find myself in.
Demographics would win the debate.....sooner or later. :roll:
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Unread post by cage » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:31 pm

Marius Schrenk wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:12 pm
Demographics would win the debate.....sooner or later. :roll:
Not really Marius.
It is easy to have an opinion about something that you haven't done but wish you could, the emigration thread is full of that.
To actually have done something and speak about why is completely different.
In the couple of years the emigration thread has been active, who has actually left because of its existence?
I'd say none.

People that go just get on with it and don't feel a need to advertise, much like those that return.
Confusing the amount of chatter as a meaningful indicator is flawed.
In 2 years time, the same okes will still be talking about it because it is easy to talk and more difficult to do.

Considering the broadly negative outlook of the average poster on 12345, it really isn't the best place to solicit information for this topic.
Anyway, this is a far too negative topic for Christmas when we should be enjoying being home and not wishing we were somewhere else.
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:00 pm

cage wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:31 pm
Anyway, this is a far too negative topic for Christmas when we should be enjoying being home and not wishing we were somewhere else.
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Unread post by Flugmaour » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:22 pm

savas wrote:
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Maybe those that have come back are embarrassed to say why?
I am not embarrassed to say why I came back and don't feel the need to explain myself either.

One thing I can say though is that all the money in this world can't buy you real happiness. Material things are just that, material, and from my time abroad I've realised one thing - we are all chasing wind.

I left a great paying job to return back to SA and took a massive salary cut. But I have no regrets, because at the end of the day I will leave this earth and I can not take anything with me so there is no point in building or chasing an empire.

I love Africa and will find it extremely hard to leave again.
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Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:53 am

Flugmaour wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:22 pm
savas wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:50 pm
Maybe those that have come back are embarrassed to say why?
I am not embarrassed to say why I came back and don't feel the need to explain myself either.

One thing I can say though is that all the money in this world can't buy you real happiness. Material things are just that, material, and from my time abroad I've realised one thing - we are all chasing wind.

I left a great paying job to return back to SA and took a massive salary cut. But I have no regrets, because at the end of the day I will leave this earth and I can not take anything with me so there is no point in building or chasing an empire.

I love Africa and will find it extremely hard to leave again.
=D> =D> So there is one honest answer. I love Africa too. I'm going no where,(my time is up...and I cannot afford it)but I'm not so sure if my grand children should stick around. :idea:
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