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Re: Global warming

Unread post by viki » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:26 am

Your denier youtube features Roy Spencer :lol:

Why is it that they never seem to get their basics in science correct: (because their main agenda is to deceive the public)

"Roy Spencer has come up with yet another “silver bullet” to show that climate sensitivity is lower than IPCC estimates. I.e., he fits a simple 1-box climate model to the net flux of heat into the upper 700 m of the ocean, and infers a climate sensitivity of only about 1 °C (2x CO2). There are several flaws in his methods–inconsistent initial conditions, failure to use the appropriate data, and failure to account for ocean heating deeper than 700 m. (He fixed the last one in an update.) All of these flaws pushed his model to produce a lower climate sensitivity estimate. When the flaws are corrected, the model estimates climate sensitivities of at least 3 °C, which is the IPCC’s central estimate. ... while Spencer’s latest effort doesn’t really do any damage to the consensus position, it turns out that it does directly contradict the work he promoted in The Great Global Warming Blunder."

This clown even tries to pretend that Oil is not behind his motives:

While Spencer's claims to receive no "corporate funding" may be technically true, since GMI is a non-profit that is funded by other non-profits set up by oil and gas companies to help launder their profits and advance their policy agenda, he devotes significant time aiding the agenda of such corporations. There is no mention of his connection to the George C. Marshall Institute on the "About" page of his weblog.

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Re: Global warming

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Re: Global warming

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Re: Global warming

Unread post by cage » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:15 am

vanjast wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:52 am
The Lord has spoken...
Thanks, will pass on the waffle of the 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, a hereditary peer, public speaker (for profit) and proud member of UKIP.
You'd need to be somewhat intellectually challenged to put any stock in what this inbred yokel has to say about the world. :lol:
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Re: Global warming

Unread post by zander » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:31 am

cage wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:15 am
vanjast wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:52 am
The Lord has spoken...
Thanks, will pass on the waffle of the 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, a hereditary peer, public speaker (for profit) and proud member of UKIP.
You'd need to be somewhat intellectually challenged to put any stock in what this inbred yokel has to say about the world. :lol:
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Unread post by zander » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:33 am

The deniers just keep coming back for more #-o :lol:

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Re: Global warming

Unread post by Triaan » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:58 am

part2...

It gets better :lol: :lol:

Comedy gold this is !



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Re: Global warming

Unread post by vanjast » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:03 am

So you have two sides.. :wink:
One side are a bunch of loonies... and the other ? :lol:

It's good to have opposition points of view and discuss them.
This winds up the proponents nicely and then they'll cherry-pick, which is fine.
This does water down the usual zealot attitude of the 'believers' into something more acceptable, and ultimately this whole warming thing will come to little. Give it time... lots of time. a few thousand years maybe. :wink:
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Re: Global warming

Unread post by zander » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:14 am

cherry-pick, which is fine.
Cherry pick ? It's clearly pointed out in the above videos or did you miss the comedy :lol:
The videos points out what the unbiased science say very clearly.
On the other hand, show us YOUR evidence on the contrary.

Running out of lying and deceiving mouthed oil funded "scientists" and presenters to "support" your stance ? :lol:

C'mon put up another clown for us to ridicule, hopefully we're just getting started =D>
and ultimately this whole warming thing will come to little. Give it time... lots of time. a few thousand years maybe. :wink:
Says who.. You ? :lol:
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Re: Global warming

Unread post by vanjast » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:21 am

Let's play clown for clown.. your turn :lol:
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Re: Global warming

Unread post by zander » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:30 am

vanjast wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:21 am
Let's play clown for clown.. your turn :lol:
I don't put up clowns thank you, I trust unbiased non cherry picked scientific evidence :wink:
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Re: Global warming

Unread post by cage » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:47 am

There is no value in trying to discuss a subject which is science based with a small audience of conspiracy theorists that can't tell the difference between opinion and fact.
The googlenistas will just keep sending videos and links from people that have no credibility and can only muddy the waters with charismatic banter and selective use of information removed entirely from its context.
A religion is a belief, science isn't.
There are no "sides" in physics but I guess if you can believe the world is flat you can believe anything.
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Re: Global warming

Unread post by vanjast » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:23 pm

There's a very simple idea behind this.
Intelligent discussion would go by the way of either proving or disproving each others evidence or interpretation of data,
Which no-one here is in a position to do, but what this guy (like many others) is doing is showing different interpretation, in a humorous way.

What is 'science research'... collection of data, make an educated guess of what you think it is, using Stats. Do you have enough data, have you made the correct assumption. It's all open to interpretation as Science is not 'exact' as you think it is - so why not entertain different ideas (they may be right) or would that be too hard to accept. ;)
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Re: Global warming

Unread post by zander » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:42 pm

vanjast wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:23 pm
There's a very simple idea behind this.
Intelligent discussion would go by the way of either proving or disproving each others evidence or interpretation of data,
Which no-one here is in a position to do, but what this guy (like many others) is doing is showing different interpretation, in a humorous way.

What is 'science research'... collection of data, make an educated guess of what you think it is, using Stats. Do you have enough data, have you made the correct assumption. It's all open to interpretation as Science is not 'exact' as you think it is - so why not entertain different ideas (they may be right) or would that be too hard to accept. ;)
Absolutely false, you clearly either did not listen, nor understand or both about what has been pointed out, it is NOT an interpretation, the speaker points to actual data compiled by scientists specialising in their field, not the presenter's own interpretation threreof. You keep being stuck at saying "evidence and interpretation of data" The data speaks for itself, it cannot be interpreted in "different ways", only cherry picked and deceivingly changed as with the case with your speaker that has been caught out.

The evidence Science provide is not "our" "interpretation" it comes straight from the data collected pointed out clearly in the 3 videos above.

On the other hand The deniers uses skewed political propaganda as "evidence" which is beyond laughable, paid oil shrills and paid oil scientists to 1 Lie, 2 Skew perceptions and 3, Deceive. The last 3 videos more than clearly shows exactly this, the evidence points to unbiased scientific data, not "interpretations" therof.
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Re: Global warming

Unread post by zander » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:49 pm

What is 'science research'... collection of data, make an educated guess of what you think it is, using Stats. Do you have enough data, It's all open to interpretation as Science is not 'exact' as you think it is - so why not entertain different ideas (they may be right) or would that be too hard to accept. ;)
No False again, that is YOUR own interpretation.
Science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Examined repeated and cross examined by Scientists specialising in the field across the whole world.
have you made the correct assumption.do you have enough data
Yet you post about a known lying and deceiving scientist to try and prove your stance.
A tactic many deniers use, First you post a presentation featuring a scientist lying by contradicting his own statements, cherry picking and conveniently leaving out evidence that will prove him wrong as proof for your counter argument. That would mean you Do believe in the data,then when you find out he had been proven wrong and the truth clearly made visible, basically shot himself in the foot by lying so many times and cherry picking so much data, as you no longer have an argument you suddenly find yourself backed into a corner, quickly changing your opinion by all of a sudden questioning the “data” because your oil backed scientist have been proven wrong.


Scientists aren't some kid thumb sucking snarky comments and putting it into a bogus propaganda paper.
They observe test, experiment, cross experiment, cross study repeat over years and years collaborating with fellow scientists across the world, they are not called scientists for nothing, once the results have been proven satisfied through multiple repeated studies then they provide it as evidence.

It is not up to YOU a non qualified climate scientists to thumb suck the criteria for science, it has been established.
come up with different "ideas"
There is no different idea, and idea is just an idea, come up with evidence, not false interpretations, lies and deceit then it might be taken seriously.

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