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Unread post by Skymaster » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:59 am

Greenpeace Founder: Global Warming Hoax Pushed by Corrupt Scientists ‘Hooked on Government Grants’
Greenpeace co-founder and former president of Greenpeace Canada Patrick Moore described the cynical and corrupt machinations fueling the narrative of anthropocentric global warming and “climate change”
Moore explained how fear and guilt are leveraged by proponents of climate change:
Fear has been used all through history to gain control of people’s minds and wallets and all else, and the climate catastrophe is strictly a fear campaign — well, fear and guilt — you’re afraid you’re killing your children because you’re driving them in your SUV and emitting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and you feel guilty for doing that. There’s no stronger motivation than those two.
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Scientists are co-opted and corrupted by politicians and bureaucracies invested in advancing the narrative of “climate change” in order to further centralize political power and control, explained Moore.
Moore noted how “green” companies parasitize taxpayers via favorable regulations and subsidies ostensibly justified by the aforementioned narrative’s claimed threats, all while enjoying propagandistic protection across news media”
And so you’ve got the green movement creating stories that instill fear in the public. You’ve got the media echo chamber — fake news — repeating it over and over and over again to everybody that they’re killing their children, and then you’ve got the green politicians who are buying scientists with government money to produce fear for them in the form of scientific-looking materials, and then you’ve got the green businesses, the rent-seekers and the crony capitalists who are taking advantage of massive subsidies, huge tax write-offs, and government mandates requiring their technologies to make a fortune on this, and then of course you’ve got the scientists who are willingly, they’re basically hooked on government grants.
When they talk about the 99 percent consensus [among scientists] on climate change, that’s a completely ridiculous and false numbers, but most of the scientists — put it in quotes, scientists — who are pushing this catastrophic theory are getting paid by public money. They are not being paid by General Electric or Dupont or 3M to do this research, where private companies expect to get something useful from their research that might produce a better product and make them a profit in the end because people want it — build a better mousetrap type of idea — but most of what these so-called scientists are doing is simply producing more fear so that politicians can use it control people’s mind and get their votes because some of the people are convinced, ‘Oh, this politician can save my kid from certain doom.’
The narrative of anthropogenic global warming or “climate change” is an existential threat to reason, warned Moore:
It is the biggest lie since people thought the Earth was at the center of the universe. This is Galileo-type stuff. If you remember, Galileo discovered that the sun was at the center of the solar system and the Earth revolved around it. He was sentenced to death by the Catholic Church, and only because he recanted was he allowed to live in house arrest for the rest of his life.
So this was around the beginning of what we call the Enlightenment, when science became the way in which we gained knowledge instead of using superstition and instead of using invisible demons and whatever else, we started to understand that you have to have observation of actual events and then you have to repeat those observations over and over again, and that is basically the scientific method.
“But this abomination that is occurring today in the climate issue is the biggest threat to the Enlightenment that has occurred since Galileo,” declared Moore. “Nothing else comes close to it. This is as bad a thing that has happened o science in the history of science.”
Moore concluded, “It’s taking over science with superstition and a kind of toxic combination of religion and political ideology. There is no truth to this. It is a complete hoax and scam.”
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by cage » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:13 am

You should really do some research before forwarding info on sole basis it suits your beliefs.
He was not a co-founder of the group, while involved early on, they like to claim that to establish credibility.
He is also widely discredited by the group as he is considered a paid-for lobbyist which sways his beliefs somewhat.
Yet more drivel punted by the conservative alt media like Breibart and co.
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Unread post by heisan » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:13 am

Dogbert nailed it there "Never give reasons for your opinions." Strange how in that whole long rant, not one actual fact is supplied (except for the false 'fact' that they were Greanpeace cofounders).
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Unread post by vanjast » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:27 pm

The Global Warming doctrine has been torn apart and is in the position of reasonable doubt, and this percentage is increasing year by year.
It's not worth even uttering the cliche. ;)
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by heisan » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:50 am

vanjast wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:27 pm
The Global Warming doctrine has been torn apart and is in the position of reasonable doubt, and this percentage is increasing year by year.
It's not worth even uttering the cliche. ;)
There you go again...

1) I don't know how you can say there is 'reasonable doubt'. In all of these threads, no one has yet provided even one peer reviewed paper indicating that global warming is in doubt. There have been plenty of opinion pieces, unreviewed articles and youtube videos - but nothing that would instil doubt in any reasonable person.

2) 2018 was the first year in which polls showed that fewer people believed in human caused climate change - although more people overall believed that climate change would severely impact them in their lifetimes. But as usual, deniers will ignore facts, and rather post unsupported opinions.
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by skytrooper » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:27 pm

heisan wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:50 am
vanjast wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:27 pm
The Global Warming doctrine has been torn apart and is in the position of reasonable doubt, and this percentage is increasing year by year.
It's not worth even uttering the cliche. ;)
There you go again...

1) I don't know how you can say there is 'reasonable doubt'. In all of these threads, no one has yet provided even one peer reviewed paper indicating that global warming is in doubt. There have been plenty of opinion pieces, unreviewed articles and youtube videos - but nothing that would instil doubt in any reasonable person.

2) 2018 was the first year in which polls showed that fewer people believed in human caused climate change - although more people overall believed that climate change would severely impact them in their lifetimes. But as usual, deniers will ignore facts, and rather post unsupported opinions.
=D> =D>
The deniers keep on insulting themselves with each post #-o

They have been beaten soundly on each and every thread made on the topic:

https://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopi ... r#p1873028

https://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopi ... r#p1956219

https://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 5&start=60

Insulting themselves each time when posting some politician or skewed scientist not specializing in climate science being caught out lying in public :lol:

....Now the deniers are eagerly coming back for some more punches in the face :lol: #-o :lol:

Boldly posting a bunch of clowns being caught out on the spot LYING in everyone's face right here for everyone to see =D> .... #-o

Glad they're getting it on again ! ! It sure is going to be fun seeing them rubbing it in for themselves yet again... :lol: Time to make ready the popcorn ! :smt044 :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: =D>
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by vanjast » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 pm

If you look at it, the climate changes all the time (from day to day, year to year...) and this is an agreed point - I don't think you've been paying attention
It's the Global Warming panic which is in dispute and this is where the scam is.

I think the Pro-GM lemmings have missed this... it is possible they don't even know about the difference ;)
The penny will drop sometime. It's fine if you want to deny that you've been scammed, feel free ;)
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by cage » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:29 pm

vanjast wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 pm
If you look at it, the climate changes all the time (from day to day, year to year...) and this is an agreed point
As Heisan suggested above, go understand the definition of climate and weather. Then revisit that statement.
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by skytrooper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:29 pm

vanjast wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 pm
If you look at it, the climate changes all the time (from day to day, year to year...) and this is an agreed point - I don't think you've been paying attention
It's the Global Warming panic which is in dispute and this is where the scam is.

I think the Pro-GM lemmings have missed this... it is possible they don't even know about the difference ;)
The penny will drop sometime. It's fine if you want to deny that you've been scammed, feel free ;)
O my goodness am i really seeing this reply.. Again... #-o This right here just shows the little attention span the deniers posses when given the correct information #-o I don't know how many times this has come up over YEARS from the deniers spewing this drivel time and time again, i don't think there are any spaces inside their heads, it's made of pure rock. Scientists KNOW the climate has always changed NS Sherlock.

But for entertainments sake lets look at this dumb stupid argument the deniers keep plonking up yet... Again #-o

The denier argument #-o
Climate's changed before
Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. (Richard Lindzen)


Greenhouse gasses – mainly CO2, but also methane – were involved in most of the climate changes in Earth’s past. When they were reduced, the global climate became colder. When they were increased, the global climate became warmer. When CO2 levels jumped rapidly, the global warming that resulted was highly disruptive and sometimes caused mass extinctions. Humans today are emitting prodigious quantities of CO2, at a rate faster than even the most destructive climate changes in earth's past.
Abrupt vs slow change.

Life flourished in the Eocene, the Cretaceous and other times of high CO2 in the atmosphere because the greenhouse gasses were in balance with the carbon in the oceans and the weathering of rocks. Life, ocean chemistry, and atmospheric gasses had millions of years to adjust to those levels.

But there have been several times in Earth’s past when Earth's temperature jumped abruptly, in much the same way as they are doing today. Those times were caused by large and rapid greenhouse gas emissions, just like humans are causing today.

Those abrupt global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change.

So yes, the climate has changed before humans, and in most cases scientists know why. In all cases we see the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions (just like today) were generally highly destructive to life on Earth.

The only one's clearly being scammed, ridiculed shamed and proven far beyond wrong is the deniers and their lying politicians once AGAIN.
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:35 pm

skytrooper wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:29 pm
vanjast wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 pm
If you look at it, the climate changes all the time (from day to day, year to year...) and this is an agreed point - I don't think you've been paying attention
It's the Global Warming panic which is in dispute and this is where the scam is.

I think the Pro-GM lemmings have missed this... it is possible they don't even know about the difference ;)
The penny will drop sometime. It's fine if you want to deny that you've been scammed, feel free ;)
O my goodness am i really seeing this reply.. Again... #-o This right here just shows the little attention span the deniers posses when given the correct information #-o I don't know how many times this has come up over YEARS from the deniers spewing this drivel time and time again, i don't think there are any spaces inside their heads, it's made of pure rock. Scientists KNOW the climate has always changed NS Sherlock.

But for entertainments sake lets look at this dumb stupid argument the deniers keep plonking up yet... Again #-o

The denier argument #-o
Climate's changed before
Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. (Richard Lindzen)


Greenhouse gasses – mainly CO2, but also methane – were involved in most of the climate changes in Earth’s past. When they were reduced, the global climate became colder. When they were increased, the global climate became warmer. When CO2 levels jumped rapidly, the global warming that resulted was highly disruptive and sometimes caused mass extinctions. Humans today are emitting prodigious quantities of CO2, at a rate faster than even the most destructive climate changes in earth's past.
Abrupt vs slow change.

Life flourished in the Eocene, the Cretaceous and other times of high CO2 in the atmosphere because the greenhouse gasses were in balance with the carbon in the oceans and the weathering of rocks. Life, ocean chemistry, and atmospheric gasses had millions of years to adjust to those levels.

But there have been several times in Earth’s past when Earth's temperature jumped abruptly, in much the same way as they are doing today. Those times were caused by large and rapid greenhouse gas emissions, just like humans are causing today.

Those abrupt global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change.

So yes, the climate has changed before humans, and in most cases scientists know why. In all cases we see the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions (just like today) were generally highly destructive to life on Earth.

The only one's clearly being scammed, ridiculed shamed and proven far beyond wrong is the deniers and their lying politicians once AGAIN.
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Unread post by skytrooper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:39 pm

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Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:30 pm

I see the result of increased co2 daily. Thorn trees are popping up like khakibos on grass slopes. Even in my orchards it will be problem if I dont slash fortnightly. I think CSIR has touched on this phenomona as well.
Man made or nature, I dont know, but its definately different.
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by excolonial » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:37 am

Skymaster wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:59 am
“But this abomination that is occurring today in the climate issue is the biggest threat to the Enlightenment that has occurred since Galileo,” declared Moore. “Nothing else comes close to it. This is as bad a thing that has happened o science in the history of science.”
Moore concluded, “It’s taking over science with superstition and a kind of toxic combination of religion and political ideology. There is no truth to this. It is a complete hoax and scam.”
Just another "bought, discredited, ignornamus" funded by the koch brothers, big oil and all the other evil capitalist scum bent on destroying our planet for profit.

Skymaster you are clearly a "denier", don't you dare question the demagogs who are open minded unless you disagree with them, or even suggest there is no certainty in the matter. I'll bet they all think Michael moore is "MR Facts" and that fahrenheit 911 is the greatest documentary ever made.

Never mind the fact that the biggest problem facing us, by far, is pollution, but hey let the taxation gravy train roll on!!
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Unread post by Gerard Schultz » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:43 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record
Over the last 2000 years, the temperature has varied from the average about 2000 years ago, by going down to a low point in the 1600s of 1C colder and, at present, 1C hotter. Yet, we have just had a very cold winter in North America with temperatures well below average.

Global warming or climate change has two definite camps: Those that do not believe in it and those that do. No amount of name calling will bring these two together. However, I remember having to change all my things that cause coldness to a different gas because of the hole in the ozone layer. Companies that made aerosols and BCF fire extinguishers had to change the way they did business and who paid? The consumer. That has been proven a hoax now, but the change in the gas has been paid.

The bottom line is that all these guesstimates (both for and against) are made by people who cannot tell if it will rain three days from now.

Until there is more consensus between these two groups, I will regard both as money making schemes that is out to make a buck - nothing more and nothing less.
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Re: Global warming a hoax - ex greenpeace leader

Unread post by cage » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:39 am

excolonial wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:37 am
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Never mind the fact that the biggest problem facing us, by far, is pollution, but hey let the taxation gravy train roll on!!
There are many "problems" facing mankind so you'd suggest we ignore climate change and worry about all that stuff first?
I would suggest that far ahead of pollution, ignorance is the planet's greatest problem - social media has generated a new generation (young and old) of experts, whose scientific method is how many times something has been shared or liked, or what a like-minded person has sent them via whatsapp.

Since you are so concerned about pollution (and yes it is one of the many problems), perhaps consider being less supportive of a world leader that is happy to reduce corporate restrictions and funding for bodies that do try police some aspects thereof.
It is also worth remembering that almost everything is taxed, even plastic bags to try reduce that form of pollution, apart from the uber wealthy and big corporates in some necks of the world.

Feel free to dodge, deflect and distract some more. You guys have done a great job thus far :smt023
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