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Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Expilot » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:15 pm

Would have been nice to not only just get one side of the US political spectrum aka the anti Trump side aka CNN .... Anyone out there that can shed some light or even speculate why Multichoice prefer not to show us Fox News ?
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by heisan » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:26 pm

I don't know... Political views aside, I always feel like I have a few brain cells less after watching them. They seem to go out of their way to hire the most idiotic reporters possible. But then again, given the rest of the junk DSTV carries, this could be right up their alley.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by vanjast » Wed May 01, 2019 1:21 am

I feel.. versa visa.. :wink:
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Roger » Wed May 01, 2019 9:06 am

DStv was too scared that Fox may carry Steve Hofmeyr news articles :wink:
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by cage » Wed May 01, 2019 9:28 am

heisan wrote:
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I don't know... Political views aside, I always feel like I have a few brain cells less after watching them. They seem to go out of their way to hire the most idiotic reporters possible. But then again, given the rest of the junk DSTV carries, this could be right up their alley.
Just stream it online. Dstv don't have enough old, neurotic, retired white guys that have nothing to do but watch "news" on repeat to justify the satellite bandwidth and subscription costs.
There are plenty of other avenues to help validate ones point of view.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Darren » Wed May 01, 2019 4:15 pm

DSTV only offers international news channels.

The CNN feed it shows is CNN International, which is quite different and less US-focused than the version which you see in the USA.

So by virtue of Fox News only having a US-specific channel and not having an international news variant, it's not in contention. There isn't enough of a local audience to justify it either, especially as a big part of their revenue comes from traditional red state advertising that doesn't apply elsewhere.

As a personal view, Fox News (as with most US-focused cable news) has swung way too far over to being entertainment rather than news, especially its opinion shows which are pretty egregious in what they're allowed to claim and get away with. Other cable news stations have dropped substantially in quality too in order to meet news-as-entertainment, but not to quite the same extreme level as far as I can tell each time I watch any of them.

Here's a good way to figure out whether a news show is worth your time: If the main appeal is that the host(s) are angry and self-righteous and 'stick it to the other side', you're being fooled. If it's a show that consistently makes you angry at the same group of people or policies, you're being given partial information only. If it makes constant use of TV series-style cliffhangers to keep you watching the next show and the next show and the text, you're just one more naive set of eyeballs they can point to the next series of adverts. And finally, if you never come away from watching with the idea that maybe your view on something was wrong, and that the other side (whoever or whatever it may be) might not be acting in bad faith, you're just perpetuating partisan divisions.

Obviously, that applies to whichever end of the political spectrum you're on.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Johan.botha » Wed May 01, 2019 7:28 pm

I find CNN in all its forms to be very far away from just News. They seem intent on influencing opinion.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by cage » Wed May 01, 2019 7:54 pm

Johan.botha wrote:
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I find CNN in all its forms to be very far away from just News. They seem intent on influencing opinion.
Who doesn't?
The masses are determined to be braindead, almost every opinion that occupies the small space between the ears has been put there by someone.
There's a reason the concept of popular messaging exists.
CNN does at least provide differing opinion pieces, fox has never done that.
They spread fear and uncertainty at every opportunity and miraculously have someone in the wings that will make it all ok.
All news channels are chasing viewers or the most clicks.
If you can't cast your net wide and at least try read differing opinions then don't expect to learn anything new.
If fox is your point of call then you are already at a disadvantage in so many ways.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Falafel » Thu May 02, 2019 12:40 pm

cage wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:54 pm
Johan.botha wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:28 pm
I find CNN in all its forms to be very far away from just News. They seem intent on influencing opinion.
Who doesn't?
The masses are determined to be braindead, almost every opinion that occupies the small space between the ears has been put there by someone.
There's a reason the concept of popular messaging exists.
CNN does at least provide differing opinion pieces, fox has never done that.
They spread fear and uncertainty at every opportunity and miraculously have someone in the wings that will make it all ok.
All news channels are chasing viewers or the most clicks.
If you can't cast your net wide and at least try read differing opinions then don't expect to learn anything new.
If fox is your point of call then you are already at a disadvantage in so many ways.
Nah Cage... just different sides you cant be critical of one or the other... CNN is definitely left leaning and Fox right... need both to provide balance IMHO... tired of hearing from the Democrats in the US... very tiring... a bit of right every so often does provide some refreshment... anyone seen the idiot on RT (the bald guy now sporting alot of facial hair).... very draining :!:
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Darren » Thu May 02, 2019 12:50 pm

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Thu May 02, 2019 12:40 pm
Nah Cage... just different sides you cant be critical of one or the other... CNN is definitely left leaning and Fox right... need both to provide balance IMHO... tired of hearing from the Democrats in the US... very tiring... a bit of right every so often does provide some refreshment... anyone seen the idiot on RT (the bald guy now sporting alot of facial hair).... very draining :!:
That's the wrong way to look at it and creates false 'both sides' biases, where you end up believing each party to an assymetric argument is equally valid. That's often not the case, especially as those news stations that prioritise entertainment value will showcase the extremes rather than the moderate elements of a debate.

While you may think you're being objective by watching 'both sides', in reality its still giving you a false picture of the world. It's like trying to take the average of two faulty instruments to get the true value.

You should rather be looking for which outlets are more trustworthy and less focused on entertainment, and then apply your own scepticism on top. In many cases your best sources are written-word newspapers or magazines, often business focused, without the need to pump out lots of content every day.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Falafel » Thu May 02, 2019 12:55 pm

Darren wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 12:50 pm
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Thu May 02, 2019 12:40 pm
Nah Cage... just different sides you cant be critical of one or the other... CNN is definitely left leaning and Fox right... need both to provide balance IMHO... tired of hearing from the Democrats in the US... very tiring... a bit of right every so often does provide some refreshment... anyone seen the idiot on RT (the bald guy now sporting alot of facial hair).... very draining :!:
That's the wrong way to look at it and creates false 'both sides' biases, where you end up believing each party to an assymetric argument is equally valid. That's often not the case, especially as those news stations that prioritise entertainment value will showcase the extremes rather than the moderate elements of a debate.

While you may think you're being objective by watching 'both sides', in reality its still giving you a false picture of the world. It's like trying to take the average of two faulty instruments to get the true value.

You should rather be looking for which outlets are more trustworthy and less focused on entertainment, and then apply your own scepticism on top. In many cases your best sources are written-word newspapers or magazines, often business focused, without the need to pump out lots of content every day.
I actually agree with you but considering the criticism of Fox the same could be said for CNN... both might be equally as bad but again as long as there is left, there must be right... in a world where there is frankly little if any credible news channels which are truly independent there is a need for diverse views no matter how unpalatable they might be.

At least the "reasonable man" can watch all outlets knowing full well which side they are leaning rather than going under the pretence of being independent and misleading.

Out of interest sake which outlet would you suggest fits the bill in terms of "trustworthy" :?:
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by cage » Thu May 02, 2019 1:06 pm

Falafel wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 12:40 pm
Nah Cage... just different sides you cant be critical of one or the other... CNN is definitely left leaning and Fox right... need both to provide balance IMHO... tired of hearing from the Democrats in the US... very tiring... a bit of right every so often does provide some refreshment... anyone seen the idiot on RT (the bald guy now sporting alot of facial hair).... very draining :!:
Whether old or new media, print or online, EVERY outlet has leanings - they all have their own base that they are trying to appeal to.
Some try harder than others to provide some balance but if you expect to find complete balance in one place then you will be disappointed.
You have to cast the net wider and at least make an effort to read stuff that annoys you or goes against your grain.
Darren couldn't have put it any better in his post, further up.

When the subject of Fox raises it's head, it tends to be from a narrow demographic that just likes to hear things they agree with, takes everything at face value without digging a little deeper and dismisses everything else as fake.
That is a bit of a generalisation, but it also holds true for obsessively following any one source, whichever direction it may lean to.

I quoted a couple years back from an opinion piece that talked about fear mongering to the elderly, those that have their TV on news permanently. If you see the same negative stuff over and over again, eventually it sticks and truth, fact, opinion or outright bull are indistinguishable.
When it comes to the distribution of fiction as a basis to justify a belief, Fox must be at the top (or at least tied for first place).
It has generated a whole new sub-genre for the internet - fact checking statements.
It is amazing what can be proven with selective use of statistics and facts, completely removed from their context.

Getting back to the topic, with social media being forced to reform (now that it is understood how those platforms can be used to manipulate opinion) the same regulation and responsibility should be pushed onto anyone claiming to be in the news industry, so that content is fair, responsible and balanced. Whether that be TV channels, online sites or the "new" media.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by cage » Thu May 02, 2019 1:20 pm

Falafel wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 12:55 pm
Out of interest sake which outlet would you suggest fits the bill in terms of "trustworthy" :?:
Well, now that is a subjective definition, trust being something needing to be earned.
The fox clan would consider CNN to be untrustworthy and vice versa.
Being permanently skeptical is a good place to start, if a piece is well researched and not written to be sensational then you are heading in the right direction.

I would agree with Darren that printed media is a better option as their business model isn't driven via clickbait and the need to get something (anything) out first.
There is more time to produce quality content and less pressure to get anything up now.

How many news sites simply have a "breaking!" page up when something has happened but nothing else?
Then it is followed by mining social media comments, none of which can be fact checked, followed by one line updates until eventually a coherent paragraph can be formed. It's all about generating hits and revenue, quality is the last in the equation.
Whether it is this type of "reporting" or the same news on rinse and repeat every 5 minutes, I'd lump that all in untrustworthy.

We should go back to the old days (sound like a real avcom member now ;) ) - two editions of news a day. Get it right and go home.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by Darren » Thu May 02, 2019 1:26 pm

Falafel wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 12:55 pm
I actually agree with you but considering the criticism of Fox the same could be said for CNN... both might be equally as bad but again as long as there is left, there must be right... in a world where there is frankly little if any credible news channels which are truly independent there is a need for diverse views no matter how unpalatable they might be.

At least the "reasonable man" can watch all outlets knowing full well which side they are leaning rather than going under the pretence of being independent and misleading.

Out of interest sake which outlet would you suggest fits the bill in terms of "trustworthy" :?:
I'm not defending the US version of CNN, or other cable news outlets, either. Nor is it about left vs right: Note how former Trump campaign officials were hired by CNN for their panel shows, and how much of a role CNN played in giving Trump free airtime leading up to the 2016 election. It is certainly not as easy as one channel being pro-GOP and the other pro-Democrats, it's about getting people to start watching and stay watching.

As I said earlier, trying to watch all outlets (impossible for anyone without tons of free time) and hoping to somehow get to the truth is like having two unreliable compasses and averaging their output to determine your direction of travel. Garbage in garbage out.

Honestly, I've largely given up watching cable news for anything other than breaking stories, and even then with these principles about breaking news in mind. I'd recommend if you do watch TV news that you prefer international-focused channels, that you choose those stations with broad ownership and at least some sort of editorial oversight and charter, and that you stick to the hourly news updates rather than the editorial in between. Some are better at certain regions than others, especially when they have a really good local correspondent.
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Thu May 02, 2019 1:20 pm

I would agree with Darren that printed media is a better place to start as their business model isn't driven via clickbait and the need to get something (anything) out first.
There is more time to produce quality content and less pressure to get anything up now.

How many news sites simply have a "breaking!" page up when something has happened but nothing else?
Then it is followed by mining social media comments, none of which can be fact checked, followed by one line updates and the occasional until eventually a coherent paragraph can be formed. It's all about generating hits and revenue, quality is the last in the equation.
Whether it is this type of "reporting" or the same news on rinse and repeat every 5 minutes, I'd lump that all in untrustworthy.

We should go back to the old days (sound like a real avcom member now ;) ) - two editions of news a day. Get it right and go home.
Thanks, I agree with this. Unfortunately we're never going to go back to that sort of slow news cycle, Pandora's Box has been opened and we have to live with this new reality as best we can. But it does mean that as news consumers we need to become better and less easily manipulated. That also means not believing in 'news' from clearly BS clickbait sites.
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Re: Why no Fox News on Dstv ?

Unread post by cage » Thu May 02, 2019 1:33 pm

Darren wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 1:26 pm
...Unfortunately we're never going to go back to that sort of slow news cycle, Pandora's Box has been opened and we have to live with this new reality as best we can. But it does mean that as news consumers we need to become better and less easily manipulated. That also means not believing in 'news' from clearly BS clickbait sites.
Great link that consumers advice and your paragraph above sums it up quite nicely.
It's good to see there are still some critical thinkers hiding amongst the men in green ;)

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