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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by paulw » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:48 pm

V5 - LEO wrote:
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Poor Europeans. :lol:
I remember being in London in July 1975 as a youngster. It was 32 degrees with a "heatwave" as they called it, with 100+ deaths reported from the heat :shock: .
My brother lives in the Netherlands and was saying this morning that last night at 11pm it was still 30deg.
Every now and then he hear ambulances. People battle in the heat because it is not only the heat, it is extremely humid.
...paulw, walking in those klompe with hot sweaty feet must take its toll, come tumbling down :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Unread post by nicofly » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:09 pm

This just in....
Things are not getting any better ! ! ! !

Walloped by heat wave, Greenland sees massive ice melt

1 August 2019

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... ar-AAFbKKk

BERLIN (AP) — The heat wave that smashed high temperature records in five European countries a week ago is now over Greenland, accelerating the melting of the island's ice sheet and causing massive ice loss in the Arctic.
In this image taken on June 22, 2019 an aerial view of melt water lakes on the edge of an ice cap in Nunatarssuk, Greenland. Milder weather than normal since the start of summer, led to the UN's weather agency voicing concern that the hot air which produced the recent extreme heat wave in Europe could be headed toward Greenland where it could contribute to increased melting of ice. (AP Photo/Keith Virgo)© Provided by The Associated Press In this image taken on June 22, 2019 an aerial view of melt water lakes on the edge of an ice cap in Nunatarssuk, Greenland. Milder weather than normal since the start of summer, led to the UN's weather agency voicing concern that the hot air which produced the recent extreme heat wave in Europe could be headed toward Greenland where it could contribute to increased melting of ice. (AP Photo/Keith Virgo)

Greenland, the world's largest island, is a semi-autonomous Danish territory between the Atlantic and Arctic oceans that has 82% of its surface covered in ice.

The area of the Greenland ice sheet that is showing indications of melt has been growing daily, and hit a record 56.5% for this year on Wednesday, said Ruth Mottram, a climate scientist with the Danish Meteorological Institute. She says that's expected to expand and peak on Thursday before cooler temperatures slow the pace of the melt.
In this image taken on June 15, 2019 small pieces of ice float in the water in Nuuk Fjord, Greenland. Milder weather than normal in Greenland since the start of summer, led to the UN's weather agency voicing concern that the hot air which produced the recent extreme heat wave in Europe could be headed toward Greenland where it could contribute to increased melting of ice. (AP Photo/Keith Virgo)© Provided by The Associated Press In this image taken on June 15, 2019 small pieces of ice float in the water in Nuuk Fjord, Greenland. Milder weather than normal in Greenland since the start of summer, led to the UN's weather agency voicing concern that the hot air which produced the recent extreme heat wave in Europe could be headed toward Greenland where it could contribute to increased melting of ice. (AP Photo/Keith Virgo)

More than 10 billion tons (11 billion U.S. tons) of ice was lost to the oceans by surface melt on Wednesday alone, creating a net mass ice loss of some 197 billion tons (217 billion U.S. tons) from Greenland in July, she said.

"It looks like the peak will be today. But the long-term forecast is for continuing warm and sunny weather in Greenland, so that means the amount of the ice loss will continue," she said Thursday in a telephone interview from Copenhagen.

The scope of Wednesday's ice melt is a number difficult to grasp. To understand just how much ice is being lost, a mere 1 billion tons — or 1 gigaton — of ice loss is equivalent to about 400,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools, the Danish Meteorological Institute said . And 100 billion tons (110 billion U.S. tons) corresponds to a 0.28 mm (0.01 inch) rise in global sea levels.
In this image taken on June 20, 2019 Sadelo mountain, also known as Sermitsiaq, can be seen surrounded by Nuup Kangerlua fjord, in Nuuk, Greenland. Milder weather than normal since the start of summer, led to the UN's weather agency voicing concern that the hot air which produced the recent extreme heat wave in Europe could be headed toward Greenland where it could contribute to increased melting of ice. (AP Photo/Keith Virgo)© Provided by The Associated Press In this image taken on June 20, 2019 Sadelo mountain, also known as Sermitsiaq, can be seen surrounded by Nuup Kangerlua fjord, in Nuuk, Greenland. Milder weather than normal since the start of summer, led to the UN's weather agency voicing concern that the hot air which produced the recent extreme heat wave in Europe could be headed toward Greenland where it could contribute to increased melting of ice. (AP Photo/Keith Virgo)

Mottram said since June 1 — roughly the start of the ice-loss season — the Greenland ice sheet has lost 240 gigatons (240 billion metric tons) this year. That compares with 290 gigatons lost overall in the 2012 melt season, which usually goes through the end of August.

A June 2019 study by scientists in the U.S. and Denmark said melting ice in Greenland alone will add between 5 and 33 centimeters (2 to 13 inches) to rising global sea levels by the year 2100. If all the ice in Greenland melted — which would take centuries — the world's oceans would rise by 7.2 meters (23 feet, 7 inches), the study found.

The current melting has been brought on by the arrival of the same warm air from North Africa and Spain that melted European cities and towns last week, setting national temperature records in Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Britain.

In Russia, meanwhile, forest fires caused by hot, dry weather and spread by high winds are raging over nearly 30,000 square kilometers (11,580 sq. miles) of territory in Siberia and the Russian Far East, an area the size of Belgium. The smoke from these fires, some of them in Arctic territory, is so heavy it can easily be seen in satellite photos and is causing air quality problems in Russia's third-largest city, Novosibirsk. Protesters in Moscow on Thursday were demanding that the government do more to fight the blazes. Greenland has also been battling a slew of Arctic wildfires, something that Mottram said was uncommon in the past.
In this image taken on June 13, 2019 small pieces of ice float in the water off the shore in Nuuk, Greenland. Milder weather than normal since the start of summer in Greenland, led to the UN's weather agency voicing concern that the hot air which produced the recent extreme heat wave in Europe could be headed toward Greenland where it could contribute to increased melting of ice. (AP Photo/Keith Virgo)© Provided by The Associated Press In this image taken on June 13, 2019 small pieces of ice float in the water off the shore in Nuuk, Greenland. Milder weather than normal since the start of summer in Greenland, led to the UN's weather agency voicing concern that the hot air which produced the recent extreme heat wave in Europe could be headed toward Greenland where it could contribute to increased melting of ice. (AP Photo/Keith Virgo)

In Greenland, the melt area this year is the second-biggest in terms of ice area affected, behind more than 90% in 2012, said Mark Serreze, director of the Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, which monitors ice sheets globally. Records go back to 1981.

A lot of what melts can later refreeze onto the ice sheet, but because of the conditions ahead of this summer's heat wave, the amount of ice lost for good this year might be the same as in 2012 or more, according to scientists. They noted a long build up to this summer's ice melt — including higher overall temperatures for months — and a very dry winter with little snow in many places, which would normally offer some protection to glacier ice.

"This is certainly a weather event superimposed on this overall trend of warmer conditions" that have increasingly melted Greenland ice over the long term, Serreze said.

Compounding the melt, the Greenland ice sheet started out behind this year because of the low ice and snow accumulation, said Snow and Ice Data Center scientist Twila Moon.

With man-made climate change, "there's a potential for these kind of rates to become more common 50 years from now," Moon said.

Heat waves have always occurred, but Mike Sparrow, a spokesman for the U.N. World Meteorological Organization, noted that as global temperatures have risen, extreme heat waves are now occurring at least 10 times more frequently than a century ago. This year, the world saw its hottest month of June ever .

"These kind of heat waves are weather events and can occur naturally but studies have shown that both the frequency and intensity of these heat waves have increased due to global warming," Sparrow said in a telephone interview from Geneva.

He noted that sea ice spread in the Arctic and Antarctic are both currently at record lows.

"When people talk about the average global temperature increasing by a little more than 1 degree (Celsius), that's not a huge amount to notice if you're sitting in Hamburg or London, but that's a global average and it's much greater in the polar regions," he said.

Even though temperatures will be going down in Greenland by the end of this week, the ice melt is not likely to stop anytime soon, Mottram said.

"Over the last couple of days, you could see the warm wave passing over Greenland," she said. "That peak of warm air has passed over the summit of the ice sheet, but the clear skies are almost as important, or maybe even more important, for the total melt of the ice sheet."

She added that clear skies are likely to continue in Greenland "so we can still get a lot of ice melt even if the temperature is not spectacularly high."

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Unread post by viki » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:06 pm

US infrastructure unprepared for increasing frequency of extreme storms

Extreme weather events are on the rise, but U.S. water management systems use outdated design guidelines. New research, published in the AGU journal Geophysical Research Letters, analyzed data from multiple regions throughout the U.S. and found the rising number of extreme storms combined with outdated building criteria could overwhelm hydrologic structures like stormwater systems.

The new study is particularly timely in light of recent storms and flash floods along the East Coast.

"The take-home message is that infrastructure in most parts of the country is no longer performing at the level that it's supposed to, because of the big changes that we've seen in extreme rainfall," said Daniel Wright, a hydrologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and lead author of the new study.

Engineers often use statistical estimates called IDF curves to describe the intensity, duration, and frequency of rainfall in each area. The curves, published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), are created using statistical methods that assume weather patterns remain static over time.

"Design engineers at cities, consulting companies, and counties use this for different purposes, like infrastructure design management, infrastructure risk assessment and so forth. It has a lot of engineering applications," said Amir Aghakouchak, a hydrologist at the University of California, Irvine who was not involved with the new study.

But climate change is causing extreme rainfall events to occur more often in many regions of the world, something IDF curves don't take into account. One measure of extreme rainfall is the 100-year storm, a storm that has a one percent chance of happening in a given year, or a statistical likelihood of happening once in 100 years on average.

Wright and his colleagues wanted to know how existing IDF curves compare with recent changes in extreme rainfall. They analyzed records from more than 900 weather stations across the U.S. from 1950 to 2017 and recorded the number of times extreme storms, like 100-year storms, exceeded design standards. For example, in the eastern United States, extreme rainstorm events are happening 85 percent more often in 2017, than they did in 1950. In the western U.S., these storms are appearing 51 percent more often now than they once did.

The scientists found that in most of the country the growing number of extreme rainstorms can be linked to warming temperatures from climate change, although natural events, such as El Niño, also occasionally affect the Southeast's climate.

By comparing the number of storms that actually happened against the number predicted by IDF curves, the researchers also showed the potential consequences for U.S. infrastructure. In some regions, for example, infrastructure designed to withstand extreme rainstorms could face these storms every 40 years instead of every 100 years.

"Infrastructure that has been designed to these commonly-used standards is likely to be overwhelmed more often than it is supposed to be," Wright said.

The researchers hope the findings will encourage climate scientists, hydrologists, and engineers to collaborate and improve U.S. hydrologic infrastructure guidelines.

"We really need to get the word out about just how far behind our design standards are from there they should be," Wright said.

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Unread post by zander » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:48 pm

The deniers does sit with a big headache indeed :lol:
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Unread post by zander » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:48 pm

And another one:

Scientists say 10 warmest UK years have all been since 2002


Britain's weather service says the country's 10 hottest years since the 19th century have all occurred since 2002, as climate change makes the U.K. warmer and wetter.

The Met Office said in its State of the U.K. Climate report Wednesday that 2014 was the warmest year in records going back to 1884. The runners-up are 2006, 2011, 2007, 2017, 2003, 2018, 2004, 2002 and 2005.

The 10 coldest years were all before 1964.

Commenting on the report, published in the International Journal of Climatology, St. Andrews University climate scientist Michael Byrne said the trend was "hugely significant, though not surprising" since the world has warmed by 1 degree Celsius since pre-industrial times.

Britain is also getting wetter, with 13% more summer rain falling in the 21st century than the 20th.

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Unread post by snoopy » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:51 pm

And... Its snowing in New Zealand and our dams are overflowing... :D

Heatwaves are nothing new to Europe in summer.

Perhaps deforestation has something to do with the hypoxia presenting itself. Anxiety, confusion, restlessness, and hypo tension are all symptoms of it.


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Unread post by zander » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:09 pm

This has been used before by politicians over and over again, just because it's snowing in some part of the world, doesn't mean the Global Temperature is cool.

Climate change is not Measured merely by taking patches of earth into account, it is measured globally to give a global result. Deforastation plays a small part but Nothing compares to Humanity's Imprint on the climate we see today. These aren't your typical heatwave's they have been intensifying dramatically in a very short period.

If we continue to rely heavily on fossil fuels, extreme heatwaves will become the norm across most of the world by the late 21st century. However, if we take major steps to reduce human greenhouse gas emissions, the number of extreme heatwaves will stabilize after 2040. Either way, we will see more heatwaves, but how much more depends on us.

However, the growing risk from heatwaves is ignored by some who argue that heatwaves have happened in the past, hence current heatwaves must be natural. This line of argument is logically flawed, using a logical fallacy called a non sequitor (Latin for 'it does not follow'). This is a fallacy where your starting statement does not lead to your conclusion. For example, this is like arguing that people have died of cancer long before cigarettes were invented, hence smoking can't cause cancer.

The longer we continue to rely on fossil fuels and the higher our greenhouse gas emissions, the more extreme heat we'll lock in. If we manage to take serious action to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, we can limit global warming to a level where extreme heat events will become more commonplace, but we can manage to adapt to.

A study published this week in the journal Earth’s Future concludes that this heat wave epidemic “would not have occurred without human-induced climate change.”

The alarming part? There are signs record-setting heat waves are beginning anew this summer signaling, perhaps, that these exceptional and widespread heat spells are now the norm.

In the past few days, blistering, abnormal heat has afflicted several parts of the Northern Hemisphere, including major population centers.

New Delhi, India’s capital, soared to 118.4 degrees (48 Celsius) Monday, its highest temperature ever recorded in June. Some parts of India have seen the mercury eclipse 122 degrees (50 Celsius) in recent days, not far off the country’s all-time high.

On the other side of the hemisphere, the temperature in San Francisco shot up to 100 degrees (37.8 Celsius) Monday, its highest temperatures ever recorded in the months of June, July or August, or this early in the calendar year.

Heat spread unusually far north, even up into the northern reaches of Scandinavia. Mika Rantanen, a meteorologist at the University of Helsinki, tweeted last Friday that there “are no known cases in Finland’s climate history when it has been hotter than now so early in the summer.” Temperatures above 86 degrees (30 Celsius) penetrated inside the Arctic Circle

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Unread post by HJK 414 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:12 pm

No Zander

Climate Change Has Run Its Course
Its descent into social-justice identity politics is the last gasp of a cause that has lost its vitality.


Live with it.


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Unread post by zander » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:48 pm

NO JK By far the opposite is true ;) Deal with It !

https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-ch ... 1528152876

Of all the shallow, non-sensical crap to come from the WSJ editorial board, this might just be the worst.

WSJ Propaganda does not reflect reality:

The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) Opinion page has long had a conservative skew, and unfortunately that has extended to politicizing climate change with biased and factually inaccurate editorials.

Over the past several weeks, the WSJ’s attacks on climate science have gone into overdrive. On May 15th, the Opinion page published a self-contradictory editorial from the lifelong contrarian and fossil fuel-funded Fred Singer that so badly rejected basic physics, it prompted one researcher to remark, “If this were an essay in one of my undergraduate classes, he would fail.”

The WSJ did publish a letter to the editor (LTE) from real climate scientistsAndrea Dutton and Michael Mann rebutting Singer’s editorial. However, it gave the last word to science deniers in an LTE response rejecting the well-established facts that sea level rise is accelerating and Antarctic is loss is contributing to it.

A few days later, the WSJ opinion page was at it again, publishing an editorialby Stephen F. Hayward, who describes himself as having “spent most of my adult life in conservative think tanks in Washington, D.C.,” and it shows. Hayward has a long history as a climate naysayer, spanning over a decade back to his days with the fossil fuel-funded American Enterprise Institute.

Playing Whack-a-Mole with Hayward’s Gish Gallop

Hayward falls into the category some describe as “Lukewarmers.” This group consists of people who think that – contrary to the body of available evidence– global warming will be slow and we don’t have to worry much about it. I prefer the term “Luckwarmer,” since they’re betting that Earth’s climate sensitivity is at the very low end or lower than the range of values supported by scientific evidence. In that sense, they’re gambling we’ll be very lucky that the climate dice will come up snake eyes.
Throughout his career, Hayward has spilled a lot of ink trolling those who are concerned about climate change. In this latest opinion piece, he argues that “climate change has run its course” because nobody is doing anything serious to solve it, and nobody cares about climate change anymore.

Hayward’s evidence to support this thesis is flimsy, to put it charitably. For example, when pressed on the fact that every country save America has agreed to implement policies to curb climate change, Hayward cited Japan as a counter-example that’s building more coal power plants since the Fukushima nuclear plant disaster. Indeed, Japan’s climate policies are highly insufficient to meet the Paris goals. But Japan has nevertheless signed onto the Paris agreement, whose framework allows signatory countries to periodically strengthen their policies and commitments and thus eventually meet the targets. And Japan’s per person carbon pollution is already about 40% lower than America’s.
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Unread post by HJK 414 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:04 pm

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Thank you for proving the point …..
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Throughout his career,Hayward has spilled a lot of ink trolling those...……….."


The whole debate has gone into ridiculing anyone that has any form of criticism or queries a "fact" ... and no "normal" debate is possible anymore.
Whether real or not is no longer the issue - you guy's have lost your audience with the almost fanatical diatribe.

Think about it - it is no longer about the phenomenon of climate change itself - it is about blaming and people being ridiculed for being perceived "non believers" / being "zealots" for the "Big Oil" and relentlessly digging into their past and private lives to prove that they are not "worthy" of the debate.
Read back your and many other responses on the global warning thread - it has become laughable if it were not so sad.

Climate Change Has Run Its Course
Its descent into social-justice identity politics is the last gasp of a cause that has lost its vitality.


It's true
Sad - but true

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Unread post by snoopy » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:50 pm

New Delhi, 48 Celsius... Just as well we never reported to the SABC how hot it got in Ondangwa during the Angolan war.

Die hele land sou hulle befuil het. En die Kubane sou onttrek het as gevolg van "climate change"... :lol: :twisted:

If you're concerned about climate change - put your money where your mouth is and dont fly a fossil fuel aircraft or drive a fossil fueled car ever again, but an elastic or electric powered one. :twisted:

Oh and stop having children. Leave RSA which is going to be dependent on coal fired power stations for probably the next century, or till they run out of carbon tax money (whichever comes 1st)...if SA's population doesn't fry out before then. :idea:

And if you're not prepared to do that - start talking one of SA's other 11 languages, other than cr*p.
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by zander » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:31 pm

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:04 pm
Zander

Thank you for proving the point …..
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Throughout his career,Hayward has spilled a lot of ink trolling those...……….."


The whole debate has gone into ridiculing anyone that has any form of criticism or queries a "fact" ... and no "normal" debate is possible anymore.
Whether real or not is no longer the issue - you guy's have lost your audience with the almost fanatical diatribe.

Think about it - it is no longer about the phenomenon of climate change itself - it is about blaming and people being ridiculed for being perceived "non believers" / being "zealots" for the "Big Oil" and relentlessly digging into their past and private lives to prove that they are not "worthy" of the debate.
Read back your and many other responses on the global warning thread - it has become laughable if it were not so sad.

Climate Change Has Run Its Course
Its descent into social-justice identity politics is the last gasp of a cause that has lost its vitality.


It's true
Sad - but true

JK
Interesting to what conclusion you came to, if you "query" a fact you better be extremely well prepared to back that up, not come up with false prophets, cherry pickers, deceivers and liars, something that has been lacking from those that still believe the earth is flat.

The audience and those in search of the truth looking for the FACTS have been clearly supported here in Conjunction with all the other Global Warming threads, Everytime.

And this Audience grows by the day Wordlwide, more and more people see the truth for what it is.

These Threads are Alive with truthseekers, all this in support of and backed by Evidence.

The Deniers all came with NO evidence and FALSE prophets.

It is not about "Believers" The facts have been there for decades and they keep piling up. it is about a conscious choice You make to either blissfully ignore the facts and the reality that surrounds us, Arrogantly so, or Embracing and admitting that what is happening is real.

The Deniers and their propaganda have been more than clearly exposed for the world to see. And now they try and pretend to be some sort of "victim" All the while while they 200% supporting those shoving billions of tons of harmful emissions into the air pretending blissfully it's a fresh walk in paradise here on earth.

This episode of "blaming the victim" have played out countless of times. [-X

The truth will always be exposed, and the support here has been Stellar !
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:45 pm

snoopy wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:50 pm
New Delhi, 48 Celsius... Just as well we never reported to the SABC how hot it got in Ondangwa during the Angolan war.

Die hele land sou hulle befuil het. En die Kubane sou onttrek het as gevolg van "climate change"... :lol: :twisted:

If you're concerned about climate change - put your money where your mouth is and dont fly a fossil fuel aircraft or drive a fossil fueled car ever again, but an elastic or electric powered one. :twisted:

Oh and stop having children. Leave RSA which is going to be dependent on coal fired power stations for probably the next century, or till they run out of carbon tax money (whichever comes 1st)...if SA's population doesn't fry out before then. :idea:

And if you're not prepared to do that - start talking one of SA's other 11 languages, other than cr*p.
Global temperature rise is GLOBAL not isolated in some forgotten little place up in africa.
As for the "put your money where your mouth is comment"

Tell me who dominates World Energy at the moment ?
Tell me what products they sell that harms the earth selling it relentlessly without an ounce of care in the world ?
Tell me what policies they have put in place to Make Sure they sell their filthy ridden products Wordwide at affordable prices ?

Then You want to put the blame on the consumer that is forced to buy the PRODUCER's products ?

Green Energy vehicles are getting cheaper and as soon as the infrastructure is in place, people will Drive them as they are Today more than EVER Educated in the Lies and deceiving ways of the Fossil Fuel industry ! !
Electric aircraft is coming too with the first fleet being converted as i speak:

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/14/18535971/ ... ean-energy

When it starts to break through the veil of evil, Until then don't come and blame the end consumer for a MONOPOLY put in place by evil powers ! ! ! !
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