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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by HJK 414 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:01 pm

nicofly wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:45 pm
Global temperature rise is GLOBAL not isolated in some forgotten little place up in africa.
As for the "put your money where your mouth is comment"

Tell me who dominates World Energy at the moment ?
Tell me what products they sell that harms the earth selling it relentlessly without an ounce of care in the world ?
Tell me what policies they have put in place to Make Sure they sell their filthy ridden products Wordwide at affordable prices ?

Then You want to put the blame on the consumer that is forced to buy the PRODUCER's products ?

Green Energy vehicles are getting cheaper and as soon as the infrastructure is in place, people will Drive them as they are Today more than EVER Educated in the Lies and deceiving ways of the Fossil Fuel industry ! !
Electric aircraft is coming too with the first fleet being converted as i speak:

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/14/18535971/ ... ean-energy

When it starts to break through the veil of evil, Until then don't come and blame the end consumer for a MONOPOLY put in place by evil powers ! ! ! !


:lol: :lol: :lol: ............ #-o


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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:08 pm

#-o #-o #-o :wink:

Evidence for Human Induced Climate Change is far beyond obvious. I like so many others stand by the truth, the truth does not need sympathy and the Truth does not Fabricate nor Lie.
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by snoopy » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:14 pm


Global temperature rise is GLOBAL not isolated in some forgotten little place up in africa.
As for the "put your money where your mouth is comment"

Tell me who dominates World Energy at the moment ?
Tell me what products they sell that harms the earth selling it relentlessly without an ounce of care in the world ?
Tell me what policies they have put in place to Make Sure they sell their filthy ridden products Wordwide at affordable prices ?

Then You want to put the blame on the consumer that is forced to buy the PRODUCER's products ?

Green Energy vehicles are getting cheaper and as soon as the infrastructure is in place, people will Drive them as they are Today more than EVER Educated in the Lies and deceiving ways of the Fossil Fuel industry ! !
Electric aircraft is coming too with the first fleet being converted as i speak:

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/14/18535971/ ... ean-energy

When it starts to break through the veil of evil, Until then don't come and blame the end consumer for a MONOPOLY put in place by evil powers ! ! ! !
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:15 am

HJK 414 wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:01 pm
nicofly wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:45 pm
Global temperature rise is GLOBAL not isolated in some forgotten little place up in africa.
As for the "put your money where your mouth is comment"

Tell me who dominates World Energy at the moment ?
Tell me what products they sell that harms the earth selling it relentlessly without an ounce of care in the world ?
Tell me what policies they have put in place to Make Sure they sell their filthy ridden products Wordwide at affordable prices ?

Then You want to put the blame on the consumer that is forced to buy the PRODUCER's products ?

Green Energy vehicles are getting cheaper and as soon as the infrastructure is in place, people will Drive them as they are Today more than EVER Educated in the Lies and deceiving ways of the Fossil Fuel industry ! !
Electric aircraft is coming too with the first fleet being converted as i speak:

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/14/18535971/ ... ean-energy

When it starts to break through the veil of evil, Until then don't come and blame the end consumer for a MONOPOLY put in place by evil powers ! ! ! !


:lol: :lol: :lol: ............ #-o



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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by zander » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:23 pm

You will always find bad people over the world wanting to build bad things by taking advantage of good things, unfortunately it happens.

Nothing however compares to the dwarfing and destructive empire mentioned in that very post.
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by viki » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:24 pm

Five climate change science misconceptions debunked

by Mark Maslin, The Conversation
Make an informed decision based on the facts. Credit: Lightspring/Shutterstock

The science of climate change is more than 150 years old and it is probably the most tested area of modern science. However the energy industry, political lobbyists and others have spent the last 30 years sowing doubt about the science where none really exists. The latest estimate is that the world's five largest publicly-owned oil and gas companies spend about US$200m each year on lobbying to control, delay or block binding climate-motivated policy.

This organized and orchestrated climate change science denial has contributed to the lack of progress in reducing global green house gas (GHG) emissions—to the point that we are facing a global climate emergency. And when climate change deniers use certain myths—at best fake news and at worse straight lies—to undermine the science of climate change, ordinary people can find it hard to see through the fog. Here are five commonly used myths and the real science that debunks them.

1. Climate change is just part of the natural cycle

The climate of the Earth has always changed, but the study of palaeoclimatology or "past climates" shows us that the changes in the last 150 years – since the start of the industrial revolution—have been exceptional and cannot be natural. Modelling results suggest that future predicted warming could be unprecedented compared to the previous 5m years.

The "natural changes" argument is supplemented with the story that the Earth's climate is just recovering from the cooler temperatures of the Little Ice Age (1300-1850AD) and that temperatures today are really the same as the Medieval Warm Period (900–1300AD). The problem is that both the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warming period were not global but regional changes in climate affecting north-west Europe, eastern America, Greenland and Iceland.

A study using 700 climate records showed that, over the last 2,000 years, the only time the climate all around the World has changed at the same time and in the same direction has been in the last 150 years, when over 98% of the surface of the planet has warmed.
Global temperatures for the last 65m years and possible future global warming depending on the amount of greenhouse gases we emit. Credit: Burke et al (2018)

2. Changes are due to sunspots/galactic cosmic rays

Sunspots are storms on the sun's surface that come with intense magnetic activity and can be accompanied by solar flares. These sunspots do have the power to modify the climate on Earth. But scientists using sensors on satellites have been recording the amount of the sun's energy hitting Earth since 1978 and there has been no upward trend. So they cannot be the cause of the recent global warming.

Galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) are high-energy radiation that originates outside our solar system and may even be from distant galaxies. It has been suggested that they may help to seed or "make" clouds. So reduced GCRs hitting the Earth would mean fewer clouds, which would reflect less sunlight back into space and so cause Earth to warm.

But there are two problems with this idea. First, the scientific evidence shows that GCRs are not very effective at seeding clouds. And second, over the last 50 years, the amount of GCRs have actually increased, hitting record levels in recent years. If this idea were correct, GCRs should be cooling the Earth, which they aren't.
A comparison of global surface temperature changes (red line) and the sun’s energy received by the Earth (yellow line) in watts (units of energy) per square metre since 1880. Credit: NASA, CC BY

3. CO₂ is a small part of the atmosphere—it can't have a large heating affect

This is an attempt to play a classic common-sense card but is completely wrong. In 1856, American scientist Eunice Newton Foote conducted an experiment with an air pump, two glass cylinders and four thermometers. It showed that a cylinder containing carbon dioxide and placed in the sun trapped more heat and stayed warmer longer than a cylinder with normal air. Scientists have repeated these experiments in the laboratory and in the atmosphere, demonstrating again and again the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxide.

As for the "common sense" scale argument that a very small part of something can't have much of an effect on it, it only takes 0.1 grams of cyanide to kill an adult, which is about 0.0001% of your body weight. Compare this with carbon dioxide, which currently makes up 0.04% of the atmosphere and is a strong greenhouse gas. Meanwhile, nitrogen makes up 78% of the atmosphere and yet is highly unreactive.
Eunice Newton Foote’s paper, "Circumstances Affecting the Heat of the Sun’s Rays." Credit: American Journal of Science, 1857

4. Scientists manipulate all data sets to show a warming trend

This is not true and a simplistic device used to attack the credibility of climate scientists. It would require a conspiracy covering thousands of scientists in more than a 100 countries to reach the scale required to do this.

Scientists do correct and validate data all the time. For example we have to correct historic temperature records as how they were measured has changed. Between 1856 and 1941, most sea temperatures were measured using seawater hoisted on deck in a bucket. Even this was not consistent as there was a shift from wooden to canvas buckets and from sailing ships to steamships, which altered the height of the ship's deck—and these changes in turn altered the amount of cooling caused by evaporation as the bucket was hoisted onto deck. Since 1941, most measurements have been made at the ship's engine water intakes, so there's no cooling from evaporation to account for.

We must also take account that many towns and cities have expanded and so that meteorological stations that were in rural areas are now in urban areas which are usually significantly warmer than the surrounding countryside.

If we didn't make these changes to the original measurements, then Earth's warming over the last 150 years would have appeared to be even greater than the change that has actually been observed, which is now about 1˚C of global warming.
Reconstruction of global temperatures from 1880 to 2018 by five independent international groups of scientists. Credit: NASA, CC BY

5. Climate models are unreliable and too sensitive to carbon dioxide

This is incorrect and misunderstands how models work. It is a way of downplaying the seriousness of future climate change. There is a huge range of climate models, from those aimed at specific mechanisms such as the understanding of clouds, to general circulation models (GCMs) that are used to predict the future climate of our planet.

There are over 20 major international centers where teams of some of smartest people in the world have built and run GCMs containing millions of lines of code representing the very latest understanding of the climate system. These models are continually tested against historic and palaeoclimate data as well as individual climate events such as large volcanic eruptions to make sure they reconstruct the climate, which they do extremely well.

No single model should ever be considered correct as they represent a very complex global climate system. But having so many different models constructed and calibrated independently means that we can have confidence when the models agree.

Taking the whole range of climate models suggests a doubling of carbon dioxide could warm the planet by 2˚C to 4.5˚C, with an average of 3.1˚C. All the models show a significant amount of warming when extra carbon dioxide is added to the atmosphere. The scale of the predicted warming has remained very similar over the last 30 years despite the huge increase in the complexity of the models, showing it is a robust outcome of the science.

By combining all our scientific knowledge of natural (solar, volcanic, aerosols and ozone) and human-made (greenhouse gases and land-use changes) factors warming and cooling the climate shows that 100% of the warming observed over the last 150 years is due to humans.

There is no scientific support for the continual denial of climate change. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), set up by the United Nations to openly and transparently summarize the science, provides six clear lines of evidence for climate change. As extreme weather becomes more and more common, people are realizing that they do not need scientists to tell them the climate is changing—they are seeing and experiencing it first hand.

https://phys.org/news/2019-09-climate-s ... unked.html

https://theconversation.com/five-climat ... ked-122570
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by B.hawker » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:42 am

Scientists say this...scientists say that......blah blah blah....the fact is this - there are very few scientists out there today who would not want their findings published in some revered journal - so much so, this becomes their only real motivation.

They'll have an opinion and they'll go out there and find evidence to support their opinion and ignore the rest.....add to that the fact they're all human, want recognition and have their own ego's.......

I'd hesitate putting too much trust into scientific research - at the end of the day, in 1000 years, we're all going to look pretty stupid - including our scientists......try get a balanced view even if it goes totally against your grain.......one volcanic eruption may just put out more noxious gas than the entire industrial revolution in one single day.....

Regardless, I think its a rational idea for everyone to try and lead a clean lifestyle with as low a carbon footprint as possible - without going too radical either way..... its quite simple.
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by viki » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:06 pm

B.hawker wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:42 am
Scientists say this...scientists say that......blah blah blah....the fact is this - there are very few scientists out there today who would not want their findings published in some revered journal - so much so, this becomes their only real motivation.
This is irrelevant, so what ? If their findings are published and it is correct, they totally deserve all the respect and fame that goes to them, but if they are wrong by intentionally lying, they will be scrutinized, and exploited for providing false information, as there are 1000s of scientists peer reviewing respected scientific work, if you were to imply that all scientists are "conspiring" however then that would be hilarious..

Second:
one volcanic eruption may just put out more noxious gas than the entire industrial revolution in one single day.....
One volcanic eruption ? Try all volcanic activity combined per year, and you still don't get to even a fraction of what humans are causing per year !

The solid Earth contains a huge quantity of carbon, far more than is present in the atmosphere or oceans. Some of this carbon is slowly released from the rocks in the form of carbon dioxide, through vents at volcanoes and hot springs. Volcanic emissions are a small but important part of the global carbon cycle. Published reviews of the scientific literature by Mörner and Etiope and Kerrick report a range of emission of 65 to 319 million tonnes of CO2 per year. Counter claims that volcanoes, especially submarine volcanoes, produce vastly greater amounts of CO2 than these estimates are not supported by any papers published by the scientists who study the subject.

The burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use results in the emission into the atmosphere of approximately 34 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide per year worldwide, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).

The fossil fuels emissions numbers are about 100 times bigger than even the maximum estimated volcanic CO2 fluxes. Our understanding of volcanic discharges would have to be shown to be very mistaken before volcanic CO2 discharges could be considered anything but a bit player in contributing to the recent changes observed in the concentration of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere.
I think its a rational idea for everyone to try and lead a clean lifestyle with as low a carbon footprint as possible - without going too radical either way..... its quite simple.
Well said.
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by B.hawker » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:49 pm

Vikki - no one said scientists would lie or mislead intentionally..........

Being human.....scientists may have (for example) a certain belief/theory and will thus go all out and find evidence to defend that belief/theory (and nothing else)....

Being human, they may overlook evidence or certain data which could add 'complexity' to their belief/theory - its about being human,....and it does happen.

Their peers may also be human and may even decide to collaborate to make any such a belief/theory more palatable to a greater, more critical audience, they may create a mass movement, hysteria.......ultimately the trail almost always leads to money and in some exceptional instances legacy (the true contributors)......some US politicians also figured this may be a great gravy train and jumped straight onboard.....at their peril..

The volcano thing was included as a teaser and case in point - the thing is, we're all human and all subject to certain faults, there are people who believe volcanoes are the problem (and have all the data they ever need) and there are people who think volcano's have nothing to do with it.......(and have all the data they ever need).......no one believes they're intentionally lying or misleading I'll guarantee that :lol:
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Re: Heat wave in Europe - New record highs..

Unread post by viki » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:26 pm

B.hawker wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:49 pm
Vikki - no one said scientists would lie or mislead intentionally..........

Being human.....scientists may have (for example) a certain belief/theory and will thus go all out and find evidence to defend that belief/theory (and nothing else)....

Being human, they may overlook evidence or certain data which could add 'complexity' to their belief/theory - its about being human,....and it does happen.

Their peers may also be human and may even decide to collaborate to make any such a belief/theory more palatable to a greater, more critical audience, they may create a mass movement, hysteria.......ultimately the trail almost always leads to money and in some exceptional instances legacy (the true contributors)......some US politicians also figured this may be a great gravy train and jumped straight onboard.....at their peril..
Of course everyone make mistakes. There are bad people taking good intentions and presenting it in a misleading way, that is what leads to the "money" you talk about, for sure all kinds of selfish intentions out there.

That however does not disqualify the mountain of evidence for Human Induced Climate Change.

There are good people doing good with the correct intentions with the purpose of bringing truth to light.
there are people who believe volcanoes are the problem (and have all the data they ever need) and there are people who think volcano's have nothing to do with it.......(and have all the data they ever need).......no one believes they're intentionally lying or misleading I'll guarantee that :lol:
That says absolutely nothing. If you have sources that disproves it, then lets see it.
If you have evidence to disprove the below scientific source please feel free to post it.

https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/vhp/gas_climate.html

Do the Earth's volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? No.

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas and is the primary gas blamed for climate change. While sulfur dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has occasionally caused detectable global cooling of the lower atmosphere, the carbon dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has never caused detectable global warming of the atmosphere. In 2010, human activities were responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions. All studies to date of global volcanic carbon dioxide emissions indicate that present-day subaerial and submarine volcanoes release less than a percent of the carbon dioxide released currently by human activities. While it has been proposed that intense volcanic release of carbon dioxide in the deep geologic past did cause global warming, and possibly some mass extinctions, this is a topic of scientific debate at present.

Published scientific estimates of the global CO2 emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year. The 35-gigaton projected anthropogenic CO2 emission for 2010 is about 80 to 270 times larger than the respective maximum and minimum annual global volcanic CO2 emission estimates.

There is no question that very large volcanic eruptions can inject significant amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens vented approximately 10 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere in only 9 hours. However, it currently takes humanity only 2.5 hours to put out the same amount. While large explosive eruptions like this are rare and only occur globally every 10 years or so, humanity's emissions are ceaseless and increasing every year.

There continues to be efforts to reduce uncertainties and improve estimates of present-day global volcanic CO2 emissions, but there is little doubt among volcanic gas scientists that the anthropogenic CO2 emissions dwarf global volcanic CO2 emissions.

For additional information about this subject, please read the American Geophysical Union's Eos article "Volcanic Versus Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide" written by USGS scientist Terrence M. Gerlach.

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