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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:43 pm

HJK 414 wrote:
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nicofly wrote:
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Who Instigated the Appetite for fossil fuels to begin with ?
Who could've lead the world into a different path to begin with ? Maybe not in the beginning but definitely later on.
You do Realize who's fault this is to begin with.

I'm not disagreeing with much of your points, specifically what you are discussing is a difficult topic, however it could've been much different by now if the World Powers did something about it in the past rather than wait it out until the problem explodes.

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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:51 pm

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It was the West that instigated this appetite...And so what.
Look at the wonders of fossil fuels. Society has grown by leaps and bounds. Billions of people have joined the middle class thanks to fossil fuels.
Hydrocarbons were/are the driving force of not only Western civilization but civilization as a whole.

Hydrocarbons have been synthesized to produce a myriad of products that you can find in EVERY singe item in your house.

The argument that you just used is silly. Where would society be today without the advent of the internal combustion engine. And think of all of the advancements that IC engine did for man kind. So many other technologies evolved from that.

Alternate technologies are being developed. As society gets more technologically advanced we will eventually become a Type 1 Civilization.
I read at this stage of mankind we are at 70% of a Type 1 civilization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale.

No offense, but you come off as every virtue signaling woke climate activist....You guys get a bit too emotional and not much substance is behind your arguments and just try to shame others that have some valid questions/concerns .

I have an engineering degree from one of the top universities in the world (always ranked in the Top 5); but I would never profess or proclaim to either be a climate change denier or a climate change believer. I do know there are lots of nuances in this debate and would like those things hashed out first before we fundamentally change the source of energy that fuels our world and economy. But hey, that's just ignorant me.

But I'm sure glad we have intellectual heavyweights such as Leo and Orlando leading the way...……….Unfortunately, empty vessels make the most noise.....
And i'm Glad the Intellectual heavy weights that Studied Climate Change doing it for an Actual living is providing the world with evidence and the truth.

You say So what ? ? That is a just one more example of an ignorant outlook on how things could've been different.

The same infrastructure could've happened with green energy, not in the beginning but later on, but the world was deliberately lead into the way Fossil Fuels Greedy Empire has taken them.

Indeed Empty vessels are on here aplenty making noise louder than a turbine :wink: just look at all the Denier Propaganda speakers that have been exposed beyond embarrassment in all of the Global Warming threads on Avcom. :lol:
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:53 pm

[quote="Jack Welles" post_id=2057989 time=1564739921 user_id=34480 What SA needs to expand rapidly is its middle-class which is growing too slowly.

The answer (admittedly so far missing) lies in education, work opportunities, improved living standards etc. As it happens this would also help with crime.

Thus the real debate is in how to make that happen. As a liberal capitalist I favour macro-economic and structural reforms, for starters such as, relaxing labour laws (for example, employees/unions have too much power in SA), privatisation of SOE's, cutting the state work force, improving education. For more ideas I would defer to those who are much smarter than I am. Socialists would, of course, have different ideas.
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by Wilco » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:58 pm

"The same infrastructure could've happened with green energy, not in the beginning but later on, but the world was deliberately lead into the way Fossil Fuels Greedy Empire has taken them."

So enlighten me, how could you for example make a highway using green infrastructure - note can't use any hyrdocarbons..I mean the Romans made some awesome stone roads back in the day...so I guess we could go back to that....So nico, tell me about this green infrastructure and how we can use that to make durable items such as washing machines, toaster ovens, televisions, etc....That's why no one takes your side seriously....You make silly broad statements such as "same infrastructure could have happened with green energy" and when challenged as to how it could be done we just hear crickets....Like I said, empty vessels make the loudest noise.

I'd be careful making broad statements against Avcom members.

You have some very accomplished individuals on this board (both in and out of the aviation field).

I would be happy to compare my academic background as well as my professional background with you. But then again it wouldn't be a fair competition.

And yes you are correct, there are members in the scientific community that are sending out alarms regarding climate change...And you have other accomplished members of academia who disagree.

I guess Global Cooling was a thing back in the 70's . Lots of people in academia were predicting gloom and doom then....

Like a poster said, lead by example. Buy an electric vehicle, install solar panels in your house, significantly decrease your carbon footprint and then come lecture us.
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:07 pm

So tell us Nico the fly what energy source you suggest should have powered the industrial revolution and the last 100 years of progress ?Keeping in mind what technology was available :? (horse manure/cow pads/methane from the bogs??) While you are there what suggestions do you have for international air travel....what alternative energy source would you suggest?
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:21 pm

Wilco wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:58 pm
"The same infrastructure could've happened with green energy, not in the beginning but later on, but the world was deliberately lead into the way Fossil Fuels Greedy Empire has taken them."

So enlighten me, how could you for example make a highway using green infrastructure - note can't use any hyrdocarbons..I mean the Romans made some awesome stone roads back in the day...I guess that civilization was way ahead of ours.

I'd be careful making broad statements against Avcom members.

You have some very accomplished individuals on this board (both in and out of the aviation field).

I would be happy to compare my academic background as well as my professional background with you. But then again it wouldn't be a fair competition.

And there are members in the scientific community that are sending alarms about climate change...And you have others members of academia who disagree.

I guess Global Cooling was a thing back in the 70's . Lots of people in academia were predicting gloom and doom then....

Like a poster said, lead by example. Buy an electric vehicle, install solar panels in your house, significantly decrease your carbon footprint and then come lecture us.

Like I said, empty vessels make the loudest noise.
Looks like a nerve has been pinched... I'm not challenging your education or intellectual ability.

I do not make any statements against Any Avcom members, so sorry you need to understand what i am actually referring to, if you have actually read the previous climate change topics you would SEE that the speakers and propagandists that was linked to was exposed and proven to be false by scientific facts. Those is what is being referred to.

I'm perfectly confident in my views and fellow minded members and input thus far on this forum and i put my trust in the 100s of scientists that is doing the hard work everyday thank you.

I don't need to provide you with anything, the endless evidence of climate change have been given in all the climate topics, if you don't believe it it's not my problem.

The Carbon Footprint could have been significantly reduced by now if it was not lead into the direction it has been headed.

Empty vessels does make the loudest noise indeed. And the truth shakes the ground the hardest ;)
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:24 pm

Marius Schrenk wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:07 pm
So tell us Nico the fly what energy source you suggest should have powered the industrial revolution and the last 100 years of progress ?Keeping in mind what technology was available :? (horse manure/cow pads/methane from the bogs??) While you are there what suggestions do you have for international air travel....what alternative energy source would you suggest?
Clearly you have not read what i said. Read again i said in the beginning we would not have much choice but later on we would have :wink:

ie... "
The same infrastructure could've happened with green energy, not in the beginning but later on"
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by Fransw » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:36 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by danie.e » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:54 pm

Dis makliker om 'n "alien" met die hand te groet as om 'n man te kry om op te hou spyer :smt040
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by HJK 414 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:56 pm

nicofly wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:21 pm

Looks like a nerve has been pinched... I'm not challenging your education or intellectual ability.

I don't need to provide you with anything, the endless evidence of climate change have been given in all the climate topics, if you don't believe it it's not my problem.

A nerve has certainly been pinched ……. :smt045

The case is more about whether you have the education and intellectual ability to understand the topics you are parroting and claiming to be the "truth" ……. You obviously lack the ability to discuss the matter with a level headed debate ….

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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:33 pm

HJK 414 wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:56 pm
nicofly wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:21 pm

Looks like a nerve has been pinched... I'm not challenging your education or intellectual ability.

I don't need to provide you with anything, the endless evidence of climate change have been given in all the climate topics, if you don't believe it it's not my problem.

A nerve has certainly been pinched ……. :smt045

The case is more about whether you have the education and intellectual ability to understand the topics you are parroting and claiming to be the "truth" ……. You obviously lack the ability to discuss the matter with a level headed debate ….

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Well that's too bad ;)

It seems the deniers can't counter the evidence for climate change now reverting to trying to attack individual characters, sorry not stooping to that attempt ;) Seen it happen all the time on global forums.

Level headed debate is relative, i choose to stay with facts, the truth and science, " not try and claim any truth made up by myself" as you just try and twist it into.

And I am more than perfectly happy with my intellectual understanding with Science and the Reality we live in and so are millions of others out there understanding the overwhelming scientific evidence for climate change.
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by Wilco » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:54 pm

So tell us, how would you build roads using green infrastructure?
You can't use hydrocarbons though.

What is your suggestion?

p.s.
And I am more than perfectly happy with my intellectual understanding with Science and the Reality we live in and so are millions of others out there understanding the overwhelming scientific evidence for climate change.
If your intellectual understanding of something trivial such as capitalizing words is the same as your understanding of science and reality, all I can say is "Houston, we have a problem".
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:12 pm

Not everything can be 100% green, working towards making it as green as possible is the main goal whilst supporting Science 100%
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Re: Hypocrisy defined

Unread post by Wilco » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:15 pm

nicofly wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:12 pm
Not everything can be 100% green, working towards making it as green as possible is the main goal whilst supporting Science 100%
Fair enough.
So what is an acceptable percentage?
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Unread post by nicofly » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:35 pm

Realistically one would have to go and look at many factors and work it out.
I can't give you a figure right here and now, but working towards a green future is a step by step process, not an all once off change right here and now. Addressing each one individually can get lengthy. Carbon contributions looks roughly like this:

Energy
Electricity & heat (24.9%)
Industry (14.7%)
Transportation (14.3%)
Other fuel combustion (8.6%)
Fugitive emissions (4%)
Agriculture (13.8%)
Land use change (12.2%)
Industrial processes (4.3%)
Waste (3.2%)

These sectors are then assigned to various end uses, giving the following results (nicely visualised here):

Road transport (10.5%)
Air transport (excluding additional warming impacts) (1.7% )
Other transport (2.5%)
Fuel and power for residential buildings (10.2%)
Fuel and power for commercial buildings (6.3%)
Unallocated fuel combustion (3.8%)
Iron and steel production (4%)
Aluminium and non-ferrous metals production (1.2%)
Machinery production (1%)
Pulp, paper and printing (1.1%)
Food and tobacco industries (1.0%)
Chemicals production (4.1%)
Cement production (5.0%)
Other industry (7.0%)
Transmission and distribution losses (2.2%)
Coal mining (1.3%)
Oil and gas production (6.4%)
Deforestation (11.3%)
Reforestation (-0.4%)
Harvest and land management (1.3%)
Agricultural energy use (1.4%)
Agricultural soils (5.2%)
Livestock and manure (5.4%)
Rice cultivation (1.5%)
Other cultivation (1.7%)
Landfill of waste (1.7%)
Wastewater and other waste (1.5%)

So Infrastructure carbon footprint contributes roughly 12-14% of total global emissions.

You would have to look at what can be made green and what can be made as green as possible and what could be upgraded to more green or totally green technology in future.

Does your engineering field specialize in Infrastructure ? Perhaps you could tell us about the most Green methods that can be used in the infrastructure field.
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